what about when they detonate an atomic/nuclear device in Trafalgar Square, killing tens of thousands and making London and the surrounding area uninhabitable until the turn of the century? just roll with it? the new normal.

the status quo won't do as authorities work to hold off a tragedy of world altering significance. the events in Europe over the past few years have made this obvious. May and some senior U.K. professionals are verbally expressing this in no uncertain terms.

civilization has been fortunate up to this point. but the current posture isn't adequate for the threat level we face/potential disasters posed by bloodthirsty extremists.

edit: i wanted to keep the discussion more focused on the law(s), less on physical resources (money and manpower). i'm positing that U.K. authorities will need to look at the laws, as it relates to effectively addressing the current and ongoing threat level.

What is the proposed posture?

that's what i was hoping to hear from U.K. citizens. i'm not familiar with U.K. law like i am U.S. law obv.

May seemed to suggest a hard look at the status quo. she said in effect that things have got to change ... this isn't acceptable and the U.K. will stand for it no more. was that just a one off comment by May, or has the U.K. media been discussing it.

My assumption is that it will be some sort of change in legislation that will allow the ability to restrict freedoms based on perceived threats. The issue as things currently stand for the intelligence services and the government is that they are geared towards looking for threats where there's evidence of, for example, bomb making etc. As things stand though we're seeing acts that require almost no planning or evidence of their intention. Anyone can decide on a whim to hire a van and grab some kitchen knives to go out and kill.

loooooooooooool.

What about when this never happens but we have surrendered our civil liberties to the totally irrational fear of it happening.

Psephologically unlikely. Without all those Scottish seats now solidly SNP, Labour can't win a general election. And Labour's poll ratings are always inflated by young voters who never actually turn out and vote on the day. So the most probable outcome is that May will be returned with an increased majority. But it's possible that the increase in her majority will be small, which may weaken her and make her look foolish.

But DUDE what if the terrorists get dogs, or bees, or dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?!?!

Saw a guy on FB saying the fact that Roudane was resident in Ireland means we NEED a national ID card. What problem does that even solve? A lot of people are just clutching at any straw they think might make them feel safe.

A majority of dogs with bees in their mouths will be Muslim soon.

**** this cowardly scared ****less attitude that brought Trump to the presidency.

I'd rather live under the system we have that's lasted for centuries and that defines us as a people than start breaching people's human rights and invading their privacy excessively, even if it does mean living with a one in a thousand risk of dying in a dirty bomb attack in London, because we cherish our civilisation and our humanity.

what if? that's the world we live in.

that's the discussion. i'm not talking about surrendering our civil liberties. what can be done to assist the authorities? there are many laws on the books in a country.

is praying to an ISIS flag in a U.K. park acceptable? i'm not saying it is or isn't. i'm curious what U.K. citizens think. seems like May doesn't think it should be acceptable going forward (that is if you want to stay in the U.K.).

MI5 and the authorities are at their wits end with the threat of terror. just the new normal?

mate in 2005 a few of them blew themselves up on public transport. twelve years of careful planning later later they've managed to come up with 'hire a van from hertz and drive at some people'

i reckon these fellas are a couple levels of sophistication away from being able to procure and deliver a nuclear device

IRA got there first

For May this was a very short journey.

Pretty sure letting people prey to ISIS flags in public spaces makes the job of intelligence services much easier.

Exactly. I don't have the greatest deal of faith in my countrymen at the moment but they don't seem to be falling for the same fear tactics that are destroying America right now. There's anti muslim sentiment for sure but we apparently don't need the special comfort blankie that the yanks seem to. Long may it stay that way.

They're far more four lions than four horsemen.

We should totally dismantle the surveillance State and open all borders, with the proviso that every Muslim either living here now or visiting to stay or live has to undergo a drunken Millwall fan shouting "Cmon and have a go if you think you are hard enough" at point blank range, direct all up in their faces.

If we do that, even if the terrorist reduce the UK to a radioactive ash pile, we will have still won.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...rorists-tried/

If you see someone doing that, then, given the position they're required to assume, you're well placed to do what Father Ted did to Bishop Brennan.

good points

to the bold, not exactly. the U.S.'s latent racism and Putin did the trick.

to the rest, fair enough. an honest reply by a Brit on the topic.

i'd be curious what the professionals reckon.

one would think so, but the guy murdered several innocents nonetheless.

They're not born terrorists hating you so they clearly do 'care' as that caused them to turn to terrorism.

Depends what they do with the info. The had warnings about these guys and basically did nothing. Not as bad as covering it up as some Euro police forces have done but bad enough to get people killed.

Footage now in most of the papers showing the police shooting. It was literally over in seconds

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk...-a7778941.html

The media-released cctv footage comes from this, longer clip with the comments of the people watching it on screen. The three terrorists first try to get into the bar on the left of the street to kill people, but find the door locked against them.

Then they try to attack the young man walking past.

As they're doing that, the first police car arrives. As the officers get out, the terrorists try to attack them and the officers immediately chase them down and shoot them.

**** off racist.

Given Pence's history with online poker, I'd expect 99.5% of this forum to have voted for Clinton. First time in my life I voted for a Democrat.