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06-05-2017 , 07:12 PM
Yes and I believe a big part of the Democratic Party messaging needs to be reminding people of that simple fact and showing them just how they are getting milked dry by the Republicans.
06-05-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
It also means that when you act and when you vote, you vote based on RESOURCES and how they are distributed. Right now the average net worth of a white person in the U.S. is $100k, and the average net worth of a black person is about $9k. I think you can see where I'm going with this.
Source: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...alth-sipp.html
06-05-2017 , 07:13 PM
Ignorant people who want to keep out Arabic Muslims (they're too dumb to actually know who the non-Arabic Muslims are) should be coddled itt
06-05-2017 , 07:14 PM
Not to mention these ignorant people have the internet and can study different cultures, but they choose to go on r/the_donald and **** like that and foam at the mouth.
06-05-2017 , 07:16 PM
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And which way do you think it's trending now under Trump? Hopefully, we don't start going backward, but YES! I DO think you liberal elites set back the cause or at least slowed down progress by hammering ignorant people who's crime was not understanding why their daughter had to see trans girls with penises in their school locker rooms. Their ignorant. Not intolerant or bigoted. You've managed to lump the ignorant in with the truly bigoted and I don't know how so many intelligent people people can't see why that caused such a divide in our country.
This was published the day after the freaking election.

Post-election spate of hate crimes worse than post-9/11, experts say
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-say/93681294/
06-05-2017 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Huskalator
very adept explanation

made me laugh that einbert flew right past it and kept on with his rapid fire godawful posting

also it gave suzzer a headache i guess
06-05-2017 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
That's not true.

Definitive Election Study Shows Racism Motivated Trump Voters Most of All
https://latest.com/2017/04/definitiv...s-most-of-all/
Can you explain what this means from the article?

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Interestingly, GOP voters scored lower on the racism scale than they did in 2012. However, Democratic voters found their scores dropping significantly.
Is it saying that Democratic voters also were more racist in 2016?

I also think sexism played a huge role in the election. Say what you want about HRC, she was probably the most qualified candidate to ever run for office. You can't tell me the fact she was female didn't play a significant role among older male voters. In fact, I think this may have played a bigger role than racism.
06-05-2017 , 07:22 PM
I have no idea why racists are always making up **** like SJWs are demanding that they "apologize" for privilege. I've never apologized for any of that ****, and I've never seen anyone else do that, either.

It's incredible, it's a victimhood myth based solely on NOT being a victim of centuries of oppression.
06-05-2017 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Haha. I don't feel I'm allowed to call out racism because I've already been labeled a racist by you. Somehow I don't think me pointing out racism when I see it in someone else would go down well with you. I imagine you'd just write it off saying, "This coming from a Sterling loving, Trump voting, POS".
06-05-2017 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I have no idea why racists are always making up **** like SJWs are demanding that they "apologize" for privilege. I've never apologized for any of that ****, and I've never seen anyone else do that, either.

It's incredible, it's a victimhood myth based solely on NOT being a victim of centuries of oppression.
Remember some of this is just moving the Overton Window, even if it's subtle and implicit and subconscious. As einbert notes, at the end of the day we are always, always, always fighting over resources. So one of the tactics the human mind has developed to deflect is to draw the line far away from the thing they REALLY don't want to do, which is meaningfully address say wealth disparities between white people and black people. So we get this funny thing where, yes, they are imagining a bunch of requests for apologies no one made, but in addition the implicit norm being conveyed is that asking them to apologize is a big ****ing deal: "woah hold on there social justice warrior, I've listened politely, but now I have to DO SOMETHING? APOLOGIZE!? Sounds pretty extreme!"

As you note, most people are arguing that in fact we have to do a lot more than simply apologize. It's convenient for dip****s to pretend what they really heard was a request for what is ultimately a nicety and a gesture but not much more, but then pretend that's a really extravagant thing to ask for.

So don't discount this is basically a form of strategic communication whereby people note systemic racism and then ask for say, more money for public schools and these people want to know why you're demanding an apology. It's just a diversion to move the debate onto terrain where it's assured they aren't ever giving up much.

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06-05-2017 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Quote this site while you still can.
06-05-2017 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This was published the day after the freaking election.

Post-election spate of hate crimes worse than post-9/11, experts say
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-say/93681294/
I hope we can agree that Trump is the culmination and a symptom of what had been building in our country for a while. And THIS is the point I've tried making again and again to deaf ears. We were trending in the right direction. Gays were finally being given their rights and allowed to marry in every state. People were finally uprising upon seeing the depth of the systemic racism in police forces across the country. The country as a whole had enough of unarmed blacks being murdered in cold blood and cops getting away with it. The racial profiling, the unconstitutional stop and frisks. The unprecedented and disproportionate number of black men incarcerated for years for crimes that whites would get off with a simple fine.

But this wasn't enough. And I'm not saying it should be. We shouldn't stop until ALL racism is wiped out completely. But what I have been trying to say is you gotta give some people a break and instead of yelling at them, try to educate them because they don't get all the nuances of their privilege or why they're still racist even if they don't think so. It's these people who overlooked Trump's vile racist rhetoric because they were getting hammered about being racist themselves.
06-05-2017 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
very adept explanation

made me laugh that einbert flew right past it and kept on with his rapid fire godawful posting

also it gave suzzer a headache i guess
Please explain in your own words why "fattailed" means I should be maximally terrified about terrorist attacks, even though I'm 10x more likely to die from a workplace shooter or armed toddler, and 100-1000x more likely to die in a car wreck on the LA freeways. Because that's basically his argument when you strip away all the handwavy mumbo jumbo.
06-05-2017 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I have no idea why racists are always making up **** like SJWs are demanding that they "apologize" for privilege. I've never apologized for any of that ****, and I've never seen anyone else do that, either.

It's incredible, it's a victimhood myth based solely on NOT being a victim of centuries of oppression.
Well then what would I have to do to not be a Trump voting racist in your eyes? I already voted for Clinton no matter how many times you stick your thumb in your ears and shout I voted for Trump. But how do I cure my racism? Clearly, asking questions when I don't quite get something only increases your ire and makes me more of a racist. Even though I almost always come around and wind up admitting I was looking at it wrong or hadn't taken something into account.
06-05-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Well then what would I have to do to not be a Trump voting racist in your eyes? I already voted for Clinton no matter how many times you stick your thumb in your ears and shout I voted for Trump. But how do I cure my racism? Clearly, asking questions when I don't quite get something only increases your ire and makes me more of a racist. Even though I almost always come around and wind up admitting I was looking at it wrong or hadn't taken something into account.
Maybe stop voting for race-baiting *******s? That would be a start.
06-05-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Oooh, ooh I know this one. The only way to not be racist while being privileged is to take responsibility for the ****ed up racist world you were born into. That means using your time, energy, resources, and yes, your position of privilege, to listen to and amplify issues that are important to people who aren't so privileged.
I'm willing to do this. But some aren't. They see it as it's not my fault and I personally didn't do anything wrong. I agree it's selfish, but some people aren't as charitable as others. They are probably the same people who don't donate to charities, disasters, or other worthwhile causes. I think they should, but is it their right not to (as long as they're not contributing to a problem)?

I ask because I know people like this. You must too. We all do.
06-05-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Please explain in your own words why "fattailed" means I should be maximally terrified about terrorist attacks, even though I'm 10x more likely to die from a workplace shooter or armed toddler, and 100-1000x more likely to die in a car wreck on the LA freeways. Because that's basically his argument when you strip away all the handwavy mumbo jumbo.
Do you worry about death from climate change?
06-05-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Well then what would I have to do to not be a Trump voting racist in your eyes? I already voted for Clinton no matter how many times you stick your thumb in your ears and shout I voted for Trump. But how do I cure my racism?
The first step is admitting you have a problem.

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Clearly, asking questions when I don't quite get something only increases your ire and makes me more of a racist. Even though I almost always come around and wind up admitting I was looking at it wrong or hadn't taken something into account.
Yeah man, so how about the next time I make a post you don't scream at me about how terrible I am to invent racism where none exists, given your track record of not seeing the racism in shooting unarmed black people or saying that Mexican judges can't be fair to Donald Trump?

Give us the benefit of the doubt you currently give to Trump and his voters. We seem to have earned it.

Oh, and one other thing,
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The country as a whole had enough of unarmed blacks being murdered in cold blood and cops getting away with it. The racial profiling, the unconstitutional stop and frisks. The unprecedented and disproportionate number of black men incarcerated for years for crimes that whites would get off with a simple fine.
What the ****. Not only is this explicitly not true in that the racist backlash against BLM is a big part of the Trump movement, Jeff Sessions has explicitly disavowed DOJ civil rights investigations, etc. etc...

YOU, and I mean YOU personally, ****ing blamed Mike Brown for getting shot and were FURIOUS at Colin Kaepernick for kneeling. I say again, what the ****.
06-05-2017 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Maybe stop voting for race-baiting *******s? That would be a start.
Now Hillary is race baiter? So that means YOU voted for Trump? What a POS you are!

Last edited by Lestat; 06-05-2017 at 08:04 PM. Reason: see how dumb that is?
06-05-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by amoeba
Do you worry about death from climate change?
Got me there.
06-05-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The first step is admitting you have a problem.
I can do that.

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Yeah man, so how about the next time I make a post you don't scream at me about how terrible I am to invent racism where none exists, given your track record of not seeing the racism in shooting unarmed black people or saying that Mexican judges can't be fair to Donald Trump?
When have I EVER not seen the racism in the shooting of unarmed black people?!

I may have made a dumb comment on the Mexican judge thing. The guy's an American and is certainly capable of performing his job. But I kinda see Trump's point. If I were being sued for not hiring someone because they had cancer (which I would never do), I wouldn't be thrilled to learn that the judge is a cancer survivor. Maybe my problem is I try too hard to see both points of views.

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Give us the benefit of the doubt you currently give to Trump and his voters. We seem to have earned it.
I give them less benefit than you think. If you saw the depth of the arguments and length of text messages I have with Trump voters, you'd laugh at what you accuse me of. I honestly don't see how anyone with a modicum of intelligence whatsoever could've voted for such an obvious unfit, racist, lying, con man. But something went very wrong this election and I'm trying to figure out what got us in this state.
06-05-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
YOU, and I mean YOU personally, ****ing blamed Mike Brown for getting shot and were FURIOUS at Colin Kaepernick for kneeling. I say again, what the ****.
I simply said what is common sense (as someone with experience at getting arrested). If you struggle, try to flee, or do anything other than comply while being placed under arrest, things are not gonna end well for you. To that extent, you have to take some responsibility.

There's been so many, I'm not even sure which one that was. Was that the one where he reached in the officer's vehicle? You know what I had to say about the Chicago cop who unloaded his clip into a teen running AWAY?

You know what I've been saying recently about the white dude who stabbed two guys to death in Portland and was waving a knife around for 5 minutes while police officers figured out how to arrest him without shooting him? Either the Portland police are much better trained, or he'd have been shot in the first 15 seconds if he'd been black.

Kaepernick? Whatever. I came around quickly on that. I first looked at it like he was disrespecting those who served and gave their life for his freedom to protest. But I quickly realized he has the right NOT to be proud of a country where such racism exists, which I believe is how he explained it. Me and Kaepernick are good.
06-05-2017 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
who believe that unreasoning terror is the only possible response to these horrible but ultimately pathetic attacks.
Reasoned fear in the face of continued Islamist terrorist bombings and murders and stabbings is a completely rational response.

Some people had their workplace bombed not just once, but twice by Muslim terrorists, both times fatal, but the second was 1000x worse. According to you, they were cowards if they felt terrorized.

Calling other people cowards because they disagree with you about the nature of the threat is true Tough Internet Anonymous Guy Talk.
06-05-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
**** off with this incoherent bull****. You're such a whiney little ****. Mean liberals didn't create Trump. Racist, xenophobic, evil *******s spread throughout our nations suburbs created Trump. These ****s are decently well off, decently educated, extraordinarily privileged, and yet they still decided to vote for a lunatic. Quit trying to pass off your own faults onto others, coward.
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06-05-2017 , 08:48 PM
I like how Lestat is claiming to be a Clinton voter but he has problems with those scary Muslim guys and always defending ignorant people and admonishing Liberal Elites.

Fly has a case for calling him a Trump voter.

      
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