The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families - Page 9 - Politics and Economics

In that audio clip there's a border patrol agent cracking ****ing jokes about the crying. Literally making fun of crying children who have been separated from their parents. What a ****ing scumbag piece of **** monster.

06-19-2018 , 04:32 AM

#202

RainierWolfcastle

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Yeah, well, maybe consider that it was their own actions along with congressional democrats that resulted in them being in that situation.

How can you criticize a guy for cracking jokes when what he is doing is keeping MS-13 from murdering your whole family?

06-19-2018 , 05:37 AM

#203

estefaniocurry

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You are yours are just like those who went along with the nazis when they came to power. Apologists for scum.

06-19-2018 , 05:40 AM

#204

estefaniocurry

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Originally Posted by microbet

As far as elections go the important groups are Republicans who disapprove, Dems who approve, and independents. Hopefully.

Never trust Republicans to do what is right. There is no evidence that they ever have.

06-19-2018 , 05:42 AM

#205

champstark

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is not a Nazi because in is not the same as out.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...11058738835456

This makes me so ****ing angry. My family that was killed, like so many others, didn’t even live in Germany because obviously it didn’t ****ing matter to the Nazis where they lived, just like it doesn’t matter to these Nazi ****s where non-white people live.

**** off and die you Keebler Elf piece of ****.

06-19-2018 , 05:42 AM

#206

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry

You are yours are just like those who went along with the nazis when they came to power. Apologists for scum.

Recalibrate your sarcasm detector. I know it's hard to tell these days.

06-19-2018 , 08:58 AM

#207

locknopair

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so long as the u.s. continues the war on drugs (and sanctions and regime-change in central american countries) violent drug lords and their cartels will only increase their power and this will remain a humanitarian crisis with the number of people fleeing only increasing.

trump's draconian policies will only succeed in accelerating an oppressive police state as evidenced by the fact that the playbooks for both the government and the media conveniently ignore root causes, such as why these migrants were ever fleeing in the first place.

06-19-2018 , 10:29 AM

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TheDuker

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Since the govt has limited resources, attempting to enforce a "zero-tolerance" policy instead of focusing on dangerous criminals and gang members has to have the effect of making the country less safe. This seems like something that should be mentioned more often in this conversation (and in the campaign ads coming this fall).

06-19-2018 , 10:37 AM

#209

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This is a very good point that I hadn't even thought of in my blind rage at the child separation policy.

06-19-2018 , 10:47 AM

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If anyone wants to help this is an organization I just donated to that is using the money to pay the bail/bond of some of the detained and provide other legal services. They appear legit, and have raised 1.3 million in like 24 hours: https://actionnetwork.org/fundraisin...e=direct_link&

06-19-2018 , 10:53 AM

#211

microbet

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Originally Posted by TheDuker

They are far more angry about the Mexican flags on cars, the circus music (as Bruce would say), the taco trucks, sidewalk vendors, and hearing people speak Spanish that they actually witness than they are about Mara Salvatrucha.

06-19-2018 , 10:56 AM

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Scratch that, per CNN they have now taken in over 4 million. They are currently taking in $4,000 per minute

06-19-2018 , 10:57 AM

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Reading FB comments on this issue is probably the most infuriating thing ever. Samples:

"DON'T BREAK LAWS AND YOU WON'T LOSE YOUR KIDS!"
"Parents are despicable, using their kids to try and get into America!"
"I would NEVER put my kids in danger like that!"
"Kids still have it better than where they came from"
"I saw them playing soccer, they're fine"

It's actually worse than a lack of empathy for children. It's thinking the families deserve it. These were not the minority of comments, either. Stick a fork in this country.

06-19-2018 , 11:06 AM

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fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Counterpoint: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa.../amp/712502002

06-19-2018 , 11:08 AM

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My 9-year old is really smart. He's hilarious, creative, happy, and the nicest, most empathetic kid ever. He's just awesome. And when the lights are turned off and he lies down in bed, he starts to get anxious. He is a few yards away from us, but he gets scared and has trouble sleeping if he's not with us.

Now I think about a kid half his age in a strange country, not knowing the language, being taken from his parents and put in a camp/cage/tent with a bunch of kids he doesn't know, looked after by strangers. And that kid doesn't know what is going on or when he will see his parents again.

I'm furious.

06-19-2018 , 11:15 AM

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Huehuecoyotl

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And there's the ransom note. Build the wall and limit legal immigration and we won't separate kids from their family.

06-19-2018 , 11:28 AM

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True North

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Don’t make me hurt you again!

06-19-2018 , 11:29 AM

#218

Huehuecoyotl

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lawl

06-19-2018 , 11:46 AM

#219

microbet

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Irony seen, but there's also no way in hell the ICE employees can't just walk right through that.

06-19-2018 , 12:38 PM

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Jack Bando

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Irony seen, but there's also no way in hell the ICE employees can't just walk right through that.

Unless they're giant cowards who only like picking on the weak and helpless...oh.

06-19-2018 , 12:55 PM

#221

SuperUberBob

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We've seen the US move to sanction other countries for human rights abuses via the UN.

Would the UN have the balls to do the same to America?

06-19-2018 , 02:04 PM

#222

champstark

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06-19-2018 , 02:45 PM

#223

PrsHarlequin

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nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/u-s-withdraw-u-n-human-rights-council-n884751

06-19-2018 , 03:01 PM

#224

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Originally Posted by microbet

I'd love it if a reporter would ask Trump about Mara Salvatrucha because there's no ****ing chance he'd know what it was. He'd probably think it was a person and say he's been hearing very good things about them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

We've seen the US move to sanction other countries for human rights abuses via the UN.

Would the UN have the balls to do the same to America?

At this point I'm hoping somebody invades and liberates us.

06-19-2018 , 04:36 PM

#225

suzzer99

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From my fellow physician....

I live in Denver, CO. I'm approximately 2340km from the Mexican Border, but I grew up in Texas, and I speak Spanish fluently. Despite my distance, I have recently taken care of 3 toddlers, between ages 1-2, who were seized from their parents at the Border. All of the information I have on them, I obtained from their foster parents. While I have no way to independently verify what I was told, I also have no reasson to doubt the information that I was given.

All of the children I took care of were brought to the emergency department by their foster parents (foster mothers in all of these cases). As we discussed today, I suspect that you will find many of these such cases because foster parents are legally required to seek medical care for those in their charge prior to administering any kind of treatment. They are also required to get documentation of these visits, and in many cases, the children are brought to the ED for evaluation because of lack of a pediatrician.

The children I saw had similar stories. Two were from Guatemala. One was from Honduras, Two were boys; one was a girl. All had mild childhood illnesses: gastroenteritis and dehydration, upper respiratory infections, rashes, etc. Their foster parents, none of whom spoke Spanish, knew nothing about their medical histories, their allergies, or their immunization statuses. They knew only two things: 1) the children's parents (both mother and father in 2 cases; father in 1 case) were being detained by ICE and 2) they had no idea how long the child would be staying with them or if they would be in contact with the parents. These are children, who by the definition of our government, are in the safest, most stable possible situations. They are living with experienced, caring foster families, their illnesses were relatively minor, and they were receiving medical care.

While their bodies appeared relatively healthy, their behavior was so far from that of a "normal" toddler so as to be striking to both myself, as a pediatric emergency medicine physician, and to their foster parents. Children this age are rambunctious. They climb on everything, they put things in their mouth that they're not supposed to, they begin to explore the world away from their parents, they begin to seek and to find the limits of their world. These children, in all cases, clung so tightly, and so completely, to their foster mothers, both in the ED and at home, that they were literally unable to be put down. They didn't explore the world, they were terrified that their world would be broken for a second time. Their trauma, and the direct effect it was having on their development, was obvious. One foster mother told me that she couldn't figure out how to bathe the little girl properly. Since she would scream every time she tried to leave her or put her down, she couldn't safely get her into the bathtub. She knew the child would be calmer if she could get into the tub with her, but as a foster parent, she wasn't allowed to do so. Another told me, tearfully, "I'm just trying not to ruin his life. He screams every day for his pappa, and I don't even know where his pappa is."

In all cases, these were experienced foster families. They understood and had dealt with traumatized children in the past. This was not new territory for them. What they hadn't dealt with was the complete lack of a timeline or plan for reconciliation. They had no information on hearing dates/times for the parents; they had no contact information for the parents; they had no idea if/when visitation or contact would be allowed, and they didn't have access to a case worker who could obtain this information. These children, those lucky ones who "made it" into caring foster homes, were floating, unanchored to their past or their future. As a PEM physician, I was utterly useless, a bandaid for a gaping wound.

Tara Neubrand, MD

Pediatric Emergency Medicine

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