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The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families

06-24-2018 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
I can't lie to you guys. Things are not good. Not even the self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist (which is a nice way of saying liberal) Bernie will go for abolishing ICE. When things are this extreme, and there is no real party to turn to that actually represents the will of the people, what are the people to do?
I will repeat something from another thread, Bernie has a record and voted against the creation of ICE. I think he's guilty of something here, but it's more political posturing than policy.

But, to answer your question, do something to help migrants. Make it personal - person to person - legal or otherwise. Governments, left or right, are chiefed by the double-tongued comrade.
06-24-2018 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Latinos are conservative by nature. They loved Ronald Reagan. My parents wanted to visit the Reagan Library a few years ago. I watched as one Latino family after another took a fawning picture with his statue.

All you have to do is not declare war on them and call them animals. But nope - that's just a bridge too far for today's party of pure white hot rage.
Selection bias. Wealthier, whiter people from latinx countries are easily allowed in and allowed citizenship to the U.S., often they are networked with the same powerful people that control things here. Think Ana Navarro. The people who aren't allowed in, they are less white and less wealthy and they benefit much more from the policies that these countries tend to select if left to their own devices. Of course America, the land of freedom and liberty, can't let that happen--we did a coup on elected leadership as recently as two years ago with Temer in Brazil. Look it up.
06-24-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I will repeat something from another thread, Bernie has a record and voted against the creation of ICE. I think he's guilty of something here, but it's more political posturing than policy.

But, to answer your question, do something to help migrants. Make it personal - person to person - legal or otherwise. Governments, left or right, are chiefed by the double-tongued comrade.
That's true. I think it's a bad sign though that he has apparently shifted from that position in the years since.

I agree. I am involved with some groups here locally, in fact we're doing a lo'i (taro terrace) workday today where I will be helping out with local agriculture and learning about sustainable farming and food production. I try to be involved as much as I can while working a full time job to pay the ridiculous rent prices that today's cities demand, well you know how it is.

As to the Beinart allegations, I can neither confirm nor deny.

Edit: I also really like the idea of occupying the ICE facilities, like Portland DSA and some others have done. It seems like a powerful form of direct action and I'd like to see something like that get organized here as well.

Oh yeah good to see you microbet and everyone else. I would list the names but of course I'm gonna forget a hundred people so just collectively, hope you guys are doing well. Aloha awakea.
06-24-2018 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Selection bias. Wealthier, whiter people from latinx countries are easily allowed in and allowed citizenship to the U.S., often they are networked with the same powerful people that control things here. Think Ana Navarro. The people who aren't allowed in, they are less white and less wealthy and they benefit much more from the policies that these countries tend to select if left to their own devices. Of course America, the land of freedom and liberty, can't let that happen--we did a coup on elected leadership as recently as two years ago with Temer in Brazil. Look it up.
Yeah. Navarro's Dad was a Contra. They fled the rise of the Left like many of the relatively wealthy Cuban migrants. The Mexican farmers displaced because of NAFTA's privatization of the ejidos and Maya people fleeing Central America are entirely different groups.
06-24-2018 , 02:14 PM
Yes entirely different groups which tend to be left-leaning and which tend to get denied citizenship a lot more often. Thus the selection bias.
06-24-2018 , 02:16 PM
einbert,

Are you in Hawaii now?

The taro terrace sounds cool. This expression is corny/sappy, like most expressions, but "Think globally. Act locally." Has a lot of merit. Also, "Be the change you want to see." Life doesn't all happen in electoral politics (or revolutions).
06-24-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Her thinking is less illegals in the country, the less taxing of resources, the better service available to economically struggling citizens - pretty universal and rational.
Other than the fact that it is dead wrong and based on lies, sure, totally reasonable.
06-24-2018 , 02:19 PM
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einbert,

Are you in Hawaii now?

The taro terrace sounds cool. This expression is corny/sappy, like most expressions, but "Think globally. Act locally." Has a lot of merit. Also, "Be the change you want to see." Life doesn't all happen in electoral politics.
Absolutely. Actually I have come more and more to think that especially in the imperial core, electoral politics is where reform/movements go to die. You go in thinking you're gonna completely change the Democratic Party, and either they crush you or, if you happen to win, they find ways to completely change you, cutting off all funding and support if you don't toe the conservative party line. I am supporting a really good candidate for Congress here, Kaniela Ing, but for the most part I don't spend my time and energy on electoral politics. I like to do direct actions, especially involving the houseless. It's not that hard to be a revolutionary--just go find a houseless person and offer them support. Listen to them, offer some food, supplies, money, whatever. It really makes a big difference in their day and doesn't cost you much. And god knows it's not hard to find a houseless person in any major city in america these days.
06-24-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Selection bias. Wealthier, whiter people from latinx countries are easily allowed in and allowed citizenship to the U.S., often they are networked with the same powerful people that control things here. Think Ana Navarro. The people who aren't allowed in, they are less white and less wealthy and they benefit much more from the policies that these countries tend to select if left to their own devices. Of course America, the land of freedom and liberty, can't let that happen--we did a coup on elected leadership as recently as two years ago with Temer in Brazil. Look it up.
From my limited experiences in central and South America they seem to be doing a pretty good job at being racist towards darker people all on their own.
06-24-2018 , 02:23 PM
So you did make it from Alabama to Hawaii. That might be the most extreme move possible in the US. I don't hate on a whole state, even Alabama, but congrats.
06-24-2018 , 02:26 PM
Yup, sure did. And while things are more livable here in some ways, like there is decent public transportation, it's also quite evident the failures of the democratic party and the fact that having an overwhelming supermajority of democrats in the state legislature is actually not what it takes to fix all our problems. We have a minimum wage of about $10/hour with one of the highest cost of livings in the country, making the ratio one of the most un-liveable in the U.S. High amounts of houselessness and poverty, and a mass incarceration system where indigenous Hawaiians are overrepresented similar to how black Americans are overrepresented in prisons in most of the country. It's very telling evidence that the liberal elite managerial class absolutely does not give two ****s about the fate of the hoi polloi, and the big corporations simply latch onto Democratic politicians here the same way they would latch onto Republican politicians in more red states.
06-24-2018 , 03:09 PM
Which island? Congrats, hope you're enjoying paradise.
06-24-2018 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Her thinking is less illegals in the country, the less taxing of resources, the better service available to economically struggling citizens - pretty universal and rational.
ahahaha lololol. I mean, I guess some ppl do believe straight up lies and falsehoods.

but its more that she thinks if she cant be successful, well, at least these browns can be less successful.

kind of like how the poor whites viewed the blacks for in south during slavery, reconstruction, jim crowe, and even now.
06-24-2018 , 04:15 PM
Kids are separated from their parents all the time it's called elementary school. ****ing libtards

I don't know whether to applaud this take or not.
06-24-2018 , 04:21 PM
Very good thread on immigration policy and legislation over past 15 years.

https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...632115714?s=19
06-24-2018 , 04:31 PM
Thanks for posting, that's a worthwhile read.
06-24-2018 , 08:59 PM
volunteered to work for Raices in Texas and Kind in Seattle

for those of you looking for a way to use your talents to help with reunification of migrant families, this email arrived today;

Dear ,

This week has been one of those moments where we know as an organization that nothing will ever be the same. While media has been swirling and the fundraising continued to increase, we at RAICES have found ourselves on a world stage. We cannot thank you enough for this unbelievable outpouring of support and incredible rejection of the vicious policies of the current administration.

But the days for most of RAICES have stayed the same.

Our attorneys are going into detention centers. Our legal assistants are teaching Know Your Rights to children in detention centers with M&Ms. We are going to court and filing paperwork.

We apologize to those of you who have reached out and haven't heard back from us. But the work and the client services don't stop. If we have a choice between doing an interview and serving a client, the client always comes first.

And we know that's what you want us to do.

On Friday, as many of us gathered around a conference table to plan, we were contacted by a father who has been deported to El Salvador without his child. We're now representing the dad and child.

This morning RAICES and many of the advocates doing this work in Texas have been on conference calls to discuss coordination now that we have a better idea of the shape of this crisis and the longer term planning needs. We are working together to make sure all families get the services they need. Tomorrow, we are launching our universal intake for families and children who are separated and will begin rapidly scaling to meet the needs of families who remained detained.

How you can get involved?
Monday and Tuesday June 25th and 26th we will be training volunteers in San Antonio to complete intakes for separated families. If you would like to volunteer to be a database volunteer matching parents and children, please sign up here. Please note, this is a San Antonio based opportunity.

Wednesday June 27th at 6:30PM RAICES is hosting a panel discussion and Facebook LIVE. Titled Families at Risk: Seeking Asylum in the Age of Trump, our panel includes experts on the current crisis who will discuss solutions. Register here and join our Facebook page to watch live.
If you would like to be a part of The Canopy: Post-Release Support Program, please sign up here.

If you are an attorney and would like to be a pro bono volunteer, please sign up here.


For general volunteer opportunities, please sign up here (https://actionnetwork.org/forms/sign...er-opportunity).

We thank you for your continued support. This is a long fight to push to change an unjust system. We look forward to continuing the work and conversation with you.

Jonathan Ryan
Executive Director
RAICES Texas
06-24-2018 , 10:33 PM
Cliffnotes of thread (I have a psychological scar that prevents me from reading jman threads)? Have Steven Miller's odds in the monthly survivor skyrocketed?
06-24-2018 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Which island? Congrats, hope you're enjoying paradise.
Mahalo, currently I'm living on the island of O'ahu and the big city of Honolulu. I'm really enjoying it out here, it really is fantastic. I've hooked up with the local DSH (Democratic Socialists of Honolulu) chapter and I would recommend everyone looking to get involved do the same. It is a really active city for politics and despite a lot of challenges, there is a lot of positive energy and I hope we can make some things happen here over the next few years. How are you?
06-25-2018 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Mahalo, currently I'm living on the island of O'ahu and the big city of Honolulu. I'm really enjoying it out here, it really is fantastic. I've hooked up with the local DSH (Democratic Socialists of Honolulu) chapter and I would recommend everyone looking to get involved do the same. It is a really active city for politics and despite a lot of challenges, there is a lot of positive energy and I hope we can make some things happen here over the next few years. How are you?
Considerably less impressive, given everything else in this post.
06-25-2018 , 05:18 AM
https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status...79504912306179
06-25-2018 , 08:52 AM
White House tried to kill and when that failed decided to modify the HHS studies facts to fit their narrative.

The original study got leaked to the NY Times, it was a 10 year HHS study that showed immigrants brought in $63 BILLION in revenue more than they cost.

Lest we forget that MS-13 gang members are pouring into our country to kill white people at a clip of 0.0075% of all immigrants/
06-25-2018 , 09:22 AM
Meanwhile in bizarro world:



I barely know this guy so **** it. I'm sure I could have done a million time better but here's my reply.

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Ok one thing at a time. First - here's Kelly back in March talking about separating kids and families at the border as a *deterrent* to migrants making the trek. So that means we know this *is* happening, it's not something where Trump's hands were tied, it's not just a continuation of Obama policy, or any of the others in that category of excuses. Agreed?

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/06/p...der/index.html

Ok. So that means Trump is deliberately traumatizing children, probably for life. As a deterrent. Yes the families made the choice to come. But this policy is new. Many of them had no idea this could happen. The whole idea is to send them back home without their kids to spread the news that they could get taken away.

Many say "Well if they didn't want to get separated they shouldn't have come". But at some point we're literally torturing these kids. There is a limit to how much punishment should fit the crime. You can't say "Well if they didn't want their kids to to get tortured they shouldn't have come". That should go without saying right?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/ne...a=1&i10c.dv=14

So if torturing children as a deterrent to a problem doesn't get your hate meter going. But a peaceful act of resistance against it does? Than I don't know what to say. You should delete me I guess.

The crazy thing is that asylum seekers and border hoppers are way down from the peak. The problem is being managed without the need to torture children. But Trump needs a scapegoat and needs an enemy to rail against.
"Unauthorized border crossings have been falling over time. In fact, apprehensions of unauthorized immigrants along the Southwest border last fiscal year declined to about 300,000, the lowest level since 1971, according to data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. They’ve risen in recent months, though year-to-date they’re still below historical levels."

And also Trump recently commissioned a study to see the net costs of illegal immigration. Guess what? They actually make money by working **** jobs no American wants to do. And mostly they're too scared to use any social services.

"An internal government report commissioned by Trump found that refugees brought in $63 billion more in tax revenue over the past decade than they cost the government. Finding those results inconvenient, the administration suppressed them, though they were ultimately leaked to the New York Times last year."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.fbb5a41fd59e

At least understand this has nothing to do with hate. Many of us are absolutely terrified about where this country seems to be headed. Trump is doing everything in his power to trash the rule of law, the free press, and any other democratic institution that gets in his way. He uses divisive, *hateful* dehumanizing rhetoric against illegal immigrants and does everything he can to link them to MS-13, despite MS-13 being a tiny tiny part of the problem in the US. The purpose is clear though - to dehumanize all illegal immigrants, and even legal (non-white) immigrants, and then who knows what next. Now ICE is looking into naturalized citizens for any mistakes they can use to strip them of their citizenship and deport. Where does this stop?
06-25-2018 , 09:30 AM
Good response but the effort to how-much-it-will-be-listened-to ratio is extremely poor in this situation, should have stuck with "hate has no place on your page but you support Donald Trump"
06-25-2018 , 09:41 AM
Maxine Waters and this Red Robin place have them SHOOK. It’s the first ever spot where Deplorables might actually face real-world consequences for their bigotry.

      
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