The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families - Page 25 - Politics and Economics

No this is my whole mother's side of the family, but mine aren't trying too hard to even pretend to empathize. The olds are even of the opinion it's all a moral panic because donchaknow Obama did it too and the damn dastardly libruls just wanna distract from the MAGAing with NKorea and jerbs.

Describes nearly everybody over the age of 40 in my family.

06-24-2018 , 08:46 AM

#602

einbert

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,911

Quote:

Originally Posted by estefaniocurry

The whole notion of nationality is incompatible with the idea of democratic governance. I liv e in a place, I pay taxes, I otherwise live like everyone else, but the government is not accountable to me because I'm not a citizen ...

In the future we will see nationality/citizenship/patriotism/etc. as something primitive, like the institutionalized racism of my father's era, that it's hard to believe sane, decent people routinely defended.

Internationalism is the idea that all workers of all countries should join together and fight, and their true enemy is the ruling class of all nations. The ruling class certainly knows this, and you can see it in how they act and cooperate with each other across national lines, while at the same time stoking xenophobia and racism in their own people. It's not an old idea but it's also not taught in schools because it's part of Marx, and the bourgeoisie are not going to hand you the education you need to overthrow them.

06-24-2018 , 09:28 AM

#603

einbert

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,911

Very relevant to the conversation here:

We've made the global south unlivable through constantly imperial aggression, capitalistic domination, stripping of resources, using up of local labor, and just straight up taking land and life from indigenous people. These people are desperate because of OUR actions.

06-24-2018 , 10:42 AM

#604

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 99,984

The numbering and lines on the graphic make zero sense.

06-24-2018 , 10:48 AM

#605

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

Well, most of that is good, but as suzzer can assure you, the global south is not unliveable. Also the US action in Grenada, I think, was quite popular there.

06-24-2018 , 11:01 AM

#606

heehaww

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,081

It's pretty clear that the Right doesn't even regard Latinos as human beings at this point, I mean the term "racist" is an understatement here. They have no more regard for immigrant children than they do a calf slaughtered for veal.

Just about anyone who votes for Trump in 2020 is a full-on monster.

Edit - if I were in the same room as Lewandowski when he said "womp womp", I don't think I would have been able to resist smashing his face into the back of his head. I would have gone to prison and probably considered it well worth it.

Last edited by heehaww; 06-24-2018 at 11:07 AM.

06-24-2018 , 12:21 PM

#607

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

My friend posted some myths about immigration, most notably about child separation. His sister responded by going off on immigration. She's a single mom of a kid and relies on government benefits to survive as she only has a part-time job as a waitress at a cafe.

There are a few screencaps of pithy comments between the two people involved but I'll leave the money shot for the second spoiler

Spoiler:

And what it all comes down to in the end...

Spoiler:

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 06-24-2018 at 12:33 PM. Reason: Note: I am not person "P"

06-24-2018 , 12:31 PM

#608

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

SUB,

I don't know about the conclusion there. You don't win that argument with her if you convince her that the enforcement, prosecution, detention and deportation are taking far more away from her than any emergency services provided to migrant. Leopards are eating her face and she doesn't care.

06-24-2018 , 12:32 PM

#609

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

That's not me. You'd have to know I'm better than to argue that poorly with a deplorable.

I left a comment to what was a pro-immigration status post by stating that it was good to get the right information out. Bait for deplorables who want to argue but truth to reasonable people.

06-24-2018 , 12:37 PM

#610

OneEyedPoker

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 569

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The numbering and lines on the graphic make zero sense.

The numbers don’t specify an order, they specify the number of US military interventions. Are you disputing the amounts? Also the lines all seem pretty straightforward.

06-24-2018 , 12:41 PM

#611

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

I know it wasn't you in the screenshots, but your takeaway was that it all comes down to "what about me?" I think that's true in a way, almost a tautology, but it's not about her insofar as her claim goes at the end. It's not about her desire to get the money that goes to supporting migrants and have it spent on her and her child.

She wants something. We all do. But, what? Respect? Fairness? Justice? Status? Privilege?

06-24-2018 , 12:46 PM

#612

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

One could try suggesting that she vote for the party that supports single mothers. I don't think that works.

06-24-2018 , 12:47 PM

#613

dth123451

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 15,502

It's not worth trying to reason with these people. Spend your time telling everyone else to vote.

06-24-2018 , 12:58 PM

#614

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I don't know. She says she needs more help, presumably from government assistance since her family isn't rolling in cash either. Maybe she thinks illegal immigrants are stealing all the waitressing jobs in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania.

And so her logic was (apparently) that Trump was going to get that assistance for her. I don't know how she thought that. But she did and hasn't really put 2 and 2 together I guess since then. She probably does what every deplorable does when the results don't come through: blame Republicans for obstructing Trump.

06-24-2018 , 01:04 PM

#615

businessdude

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10,913

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

It's good to see a rare pragmatic response here. People behave according to their own self-interests? In other news, water is wet.

06-24-2018 , 01:05 PM

#616

+rep_lol

banned

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 14,900

there's more to life and a functional society than pure self-interest

you're a selfish ******* if you disagree

06-24-2018 , 01:05 PM

#617

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

My theory is that it's more psychological and all that policy stuff there is post-decision rationalization.

06-24-2018 , 01:09 PM

#618

heehaww

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,081

She's basically saying that if she's struggling, those gibberish-yapping animals should be suffering worse. "Why are we talking about those brown aliens when real people like me are still struggling?"

06-24-2018 , 01:11 PM

#619

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

Quote:

Originally Posted by businessdude

It's good to see a rare pragmatic response here. People behave according to their own self-interests? In other news, water is wet.

I don't know if you're following. Her policy position is very clearly counter to her economic self-interest. My question when she asks "what about me?" is what does she really want?

I would think that to you, businessdude, it would be abundently clear that a single mother receiving public assistance would be a Democrat if people always followed their economic interests.

06-24-2018 , 01:17 PM

#620

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

Quote:

Originally Posted by heehaww

I don't think it's about suffering per se. If it were, again, she'd be a total Berniecrat looking for free childcare and insurance, and I kinda doubt that's the case. I think it's more like she either feels passed over in terms of respect (love) in favor of the migrants or she is anxious to vie for the love of the big stong daddy in the White House or just show her allegiance to her white-identity compatriots.

06-24-2018 , 01:26 PM

#621

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I think like most deplorables who aren't in the top 1%, she's too stupid to know what's best for her.

06-24-2018 , 01:34 PM

#622

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

Primates care more about relative status, respect, love, social standing etc than they do about absolute wealth and well being.*

*barring abject humiliating poverty

06-24-2018 , 01:37 PM

#623

businessdude

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10,913

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Her thinking is less illegals in the country, the less taxing of resources, the better service available to economically struggling citizens - pretty universal and rational.

06-24-2018 , 01:38 PM

#624

einbert

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14,911

I can't lie to you guys. Things are not good. Not even the self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist (which is a nice way of saying liberal) Bernie will go for abolishing ICE. When things are this extreme, and there is no real party to turn to that actually represents the will of the people, what are the people to do?

06-24-2018 , 01:41 PM

#625

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 56,703

Quote:

Originally Posted by businessdude

Her thinking is less illegals in the country, the less taxing of resources, the better service available to economically struggling citizens - pretty universal and rational.

Theoretically plausible maybe, but demonstrably untrue.

Page 25 of 44

First

5 15 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 35

Last

...

Page 25 of 44

First

5 15 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 35

Last