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So, crisis averted! I'm glad we've now found justification to imprison toddlers indefinitely. Cancel all the protests! We're good!

I don't know what actually happened. If I had to guess, Miller and Sessions wanted this, Miller pitched it and Trump thought it sounded good. The Dems should take note, though they won't and they'll start with a compromise.

Oops, there I go talking like the Dems actually want those things.

Joined my local DSA today

Love that this guy joined the Republican party because of its bold anti-slavery platform. Too bad that it took him 29 years to figure out that it is nonetheless a repugnant, racist outfit. Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed there. I think I will pass on reading the rest of his thread.

You can’t cry over the Repubs not changing and then say “so what?” when one finally does. Give him a little credit.

No

Well Trump and the Conservative legislation both call for asylum seekers and others to be detained until their case is resolved. Basically ending 'catch and release', which is what Trump is proposing with his executive order. Since forever the government has had the option to detain or release asylum seekers, but they've had to release children, except unaccompanied minors, because of the Flores decision. So previous administrations released asylum seekers to be with their kids and released accompanied minors to be with their extended family if they had one. Trump and Miller took the nuclear option that claimed that all call asylum claims would be initially prosecuted and all children would then be reclassified as unaccompanied minors. That allowed the government to detain children indefinitely while their parents have their cases resolved. Trump's proposing the same thing, but keeping the kids and family together in detention until the case is resolved. That's different than what happened before, but since the alternative is draconian, Trump's hoping it'll be seen as the humanitarian option.

The next step will be someone challenging Trump's EO on the Flores settlement, forcing him to release children to their extended families. Basically basic to the pre-tender age concentration camp Trump status quo.

Edit: Yep

It will be interesting to see history note Miller’s huge contribution to these horrible times. He will certainly get more credit for many of the horrible things that have happened compared to what he is getting in the moment.

How about Child Abusers?

And he's young and will spend a long time hopefully nowhere near power. He won't be able to show his face anywhere outside of a Klan rally or a country club.

edit: I forgot he's Jewish. I guess he won't be able to show his face anywhere.

These must have been some tough negotiations.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/20/62193...aration-policy

Steve miller is one of those guys who quietly will seek refuge somewhere about ten years from now like Iceland or Liechtenstein or a gated community in Maine.

I think there still might be some Jewish country clubs around.

I think Steve miller behaves in a way just enough to where people will stop talking about him when he exits . Like no one is talking about the evils of Steve ban on or dick Cheney at the moment.

All movement in the progresive direction is to be weclomed. Everyone who shifts a bit is to be encouraged.


Dont have to go overboard but trumpism has to, at least in part, be defeated from within. Otherwise trump himself can be consoigned to the dustbin of history but the problem will remain to be exploited by the next populist

Yeah I have been trying to think of ways to get him on Trump’s bad side because his removal from the whitehouse would be beneficial. But he is never ever ever getting an opportunity like this ever again so there is no chance he is letting go and he will do anything to stay.

So one of my old college friends posted this on Facebook:

Don’t think it’s kidnapping when a parent voluntarily walks a child into a crime. If they were citizens then YFS would do the same. Wake up and have people take some personal responsibility. They know coming here is a crime the way they are doing it and still chose to put their kids through it then we cry how could this happen. We have more kids in this country starving and getting abused I don’t hear **** about that. I know it’s our dirty little secret but this stops the world.

And included a video of Obama and Clinton calling for stronger borders.

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I think I’m just going to give up trying to change minds of friends who are also closet racists, and just encourage young people to vote. I teach college, I can do that.

I never knew that so many of these people for child separation cared so much about American children who are poor.

These people would 100% be using the same logic to justify gassing immigrants to death.

WELP THEY BROKE THE LAW GUESS THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FIRST HERP DERP.

WB Dvaut1! Hope to see you post more, even if only on occasion. Did you write a book, pwn nubs in the FPS's, start a family?

As far as activism, being active and out there is great. But simply being informed, taking to less informed people who know you and (to one degree or another, trust and respect you), and exhibiting concern with engagement and public affairs does significant work. Even if only 1 in 10 people you know is affected, that's quite significant across the entire country. I mean I'd love, in the abstract, to pull up shop and help defend immigrants in asylum hearings or what have you, but even doing nothing is not doing nothing if you have some influence on those around you.

Just reiterate that crossing the border is a misdeameanor and we traditionally do not seperate parents and children via incarceration for low level misdemeanors.

So tell them no worries as any non asylum seeker (asylum seekers are not committing any crime) are only committing an extremely low level crime. In fact it is likely your friend is guilty of more serious crimes on a weekly basis.

Ask him if he should be living every waking moment wondering if his children will be taken away and stowed in a big box store.