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The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families

06-20-2018 , 12:03 PM
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After days of outcry, the Trump administration appears to be backing off of a contentious new policy that separated more than 2,000 immigrant children from their parents who crossed the border illegally.

The "zero-tolerance" policy, announced in April by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, has mandated the separation of thousands of children from their parents who face criminal prosecution for illegal border crossings.

But President Donald Trump said Wednesday morning that he would sign an executive order to end the policy, shortly after The Associated Press reported that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was drafting an executive action that would allow families to stay together while they were detained for immigration proceedings.

“I’ll be signing something in a little while that’s going to do that,” the president told White House reporters, adding that his action would be “somewhat pre-emptive and ultimately matched by legislation.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06...ent=4945457418
06-20-2018 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ElSapo
Yeah, this is why I can't fathom this situation dragging out--that means thousands more kids separated. And the country is overwhelmingly against this. People who didn't protest before are ready to go now. ****, I was looking at flights to McAllen, TX, and have contacted my reps multiple times. This is the sort of thing where there needs to be a riot.
Your nearest ICE facility is in Belmont. I think. I only vaguely know where you are.
06-20-2018 , 12:11 PM
Splinter have published Miller's phone number

https://splinternews.com/heres-steph...=1529510821860

202-881-8641 if you want to try.
06-20-2018 , 12:12 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1009390464523554817
06-20-2018 , 12:20 PM
in a f*ckin' diner
06-20-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1009390464523554817
I hate people. I really hope the younger people in that video are anomalies. If they're not, we might as well end this country.
06-20-2018 , 12:25 PM
Republicans are so good at spin it's ridiculous, these parents did everything they could to do things "rightfully and legally" but because the messaging says they didn't, dopes fall in line and believe it.
06-20-2018 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by estefaniocurry
Christians are almost as bad as Republicans. People who believe in gods can't be trusted to behave honestly or rationally.
belief in god is a very abtract thing. Religious people frequently impose their personal politicals/morals on their religious takes and that, as with everyone else, ranges from the most reasonable/decent to the worst.
06-20-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Donate to a fund raising money to post bail for the detained immigrants so they can be reunited with their children. It’s raised 8 million since Saturday. At peak times it was raising $8,000a minute. https://www.facebook.com/donate/4905...3551717746001/
I really wish I could, but I'm hurting financially these days. Just trying to pay the mortgage.
06-20-2018 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
Marching and writing to your Congressman is nice and all, but those things do not disrupt the lives of the comfortable, which is what needs to be happening until this is fixed. And by "fixed" I don't mean the inevitable bull**** measure Congress passes that allows parents to stay in the cages with their kids, I mean the abolition of ICE and the prosecution of those in charge of it.
Decided to come out of a 6 month hibernation to note: this is all well and good. And it should be cheered on.

But it's fundamentally limited. As you correctly note, *most* of this energy will dissipate once the GOP and Democrats join arm-in-arm to 'reunite families' -- that is, our political system is only equipped, at best, to rectify the most ghoulish, inhumane and currently visible aspect of America's dog**** immigration policies.

It may be that our devolution into barbarism is so complete that we can't even achieve that. But we might. And if we do, the reunification will surly be far too late, as the harms done are permnent. They may be mostly fictional as it's likely ICE and the Trump Admin haven't a ****ing clue nor much cared what happened to any of the families they tore apart. And the reunification may very well be only behind bars. It would be extremely fitting for our times if the bipartisan solution is cheer ourselves for 'reuniting families' while keeping them in concentration camps and Tender Age Tents.

Perhaps if America's best propagandists are assigned to find a workable solution to achieve elite consensus between the insane right-wingers and centrists who hold all of the power in this country, the victims of our crimes will get a half-hearted apology, but surely they will get a warning not to come back and do tell their friends.

And soon enough, we'll be back to the bipartisan consensus, which is roughly this:



Joe ****ing Manchin can't even defend the inalienable human rights of children without grovelling about how we need military toys to harass migrants.

Like all things, Trump is one part startling acceleration and one part apogee of processes now in motion for 40 years: taking migration from a largely civil matter to a mostly criminal one. Militarizing the border. Ratcheting up the machinery of deporation for non-violent immigrants. But he is not a pivot. He's not unique. He's just the next evolutionary step of long-gestating forces. Give the right-wing credit: in their moments of recent public relations chaos, they will sometimes let their guard down and let the veil slip, and plead with the public to note their enforcement mechanisms are only slightly more vicious than Obama's and Clinton's. This is of course only temporary, and done with great pains, as they surely are aware that for their audience of ferocious racists, they are giving the Democrats a huge victory. Which is why they will reflexively turn back to their fantasies that actually Democrats are Crime Loving feckless weakling race-traitors who let the immigrants in because Deep State Soros electioneering or whatever the ****.

But the underlying truth that Trumpkins and the rest of the GOP let slip is critical: callous treatment of immigrants as subhuman is the bipartisan consensus among the elite for generations now. The debate is the matter of degree.

America is being set into this posture by literally tens of millions of people with absolute bloodlust on their hearts and eliminationist ideals in their minds. They have listened to 40 years of rhetoric that cast immigrants as welfare cheats, violent criminals, or vermin bent on infestation and invasion, depending on how deep into the Intellectual Dark Web they go. Their heros are Minutemen Militia and other violent posses promising to harass migrants on the border, gestapo agents like Joe Arapaio, and President Trump, who spent the Presidential campaign promising a savage and punishing immigration policy and is now delivering. This could not be any clearer. Anyone feigning surprise is the worst sort of bad faith artist; denying the obvious perhaps to shield their own complicity in America's downfall into fascism.

Taking to the streets might get enough Chamber of Commerces to compel the billionaire class into threatening the GOP to withhold their donations and maybe get some mealy-mouthed commitments to end separation. But that's about the best we can hope for in the short-term. I strained to point out that the path to Baby Immigrant Prisons was predictable and tolerated, and largely elite consensus, if not in specifics then in its structural elements. We are confronted with a deep underlying systemic problem -- a population absolutely primed and ready to wage revanchist violence against migrants and racial minorities -- an idea that has been flattered by both major political parties and the machinery of political rhetoric that goes with it.

Systemic problems require systemic solutions. We need an actual, meaningful political movement to change the underlying public sentiments. As the median political opinion in America seems to be something like immigrant parents should be able to keep their kids by their side as they dodge Blackhawk helicopters and drones haunting their steps to keep them out of a country that absolutely does not welcome them ... this seems formidable.

The work ahead is to create a more permanent, durable political will around the principle that migrants are indeed fully human. Predicting the long term future is hard but I think we are headed for worse even if this particular policy changes. Until the left can present a coherent, unified refutation of the idea that enforcement of immigration law is the highest priority and debasement of migrants as starting point, it's hard to be hopeful.

tl;dr summary: Joe Manchin is ****ing garbage and symbolic of why we're absolutely ****ed
06-20-2018 , 12:56 PM
He's still alive!
06-20-2018 , 12:58 PM
Dvaut1!
06-20-2018 , 12:58 PM
click to read the whole thread - Schmidt basically blows up the GOP and calls for people to vote Dem across the board:

06-20-2018 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Does this move Geraldo up to perhaps merely semi deplorable?

http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/06/20...-child-abusers
Merely semi-deplorable sounds fine. "Doesn't support locking kids in cages" isn't like, a high bar to get over, but obviously the republican party is struggling with it.

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The US should face economic sanctions for this behavior. They've advocated for sanctions levied against other countries for far less.
Yes.
06-20-2018 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1009390464523554817
These people need to have their pics labeled with some nasty meme and plastered all over the internet where it will reside for eternity and their children and their children's children will have to own that they are descended from pieces of ****. I suggest #AmericanNazi, but if that's too offensive to those who's families survived Nazi concentration camps, then #BabyCager, or simply #Deplorable. Every one of them needs to go down in infamy.
06-20-2018 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
These people need to have their pics labeled with some nasty meme and plastered all over the internet where it will reside for eternity and their children and their children's children will have to own that they are descended from pieces of ****. I suggest #AmericanNazi, but if that's too offensive to those who's families survived Nazi concentration camps, then #BabyCager, or simply #Deplorable. Every one of them needs to go down in infamy.
Agree with the sentiment. "Deplorable" won't work though. They call themselves that sometimes.
06-20-2018 , 01:24 PM
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President Trump is preparing to issue an executive order as soon as Wednesday that ends the separation of families at the border by indefinitely detaining parents and children together, according to a person familiar with the White House plans.

Mr. Trump’s executive order would seek to get around an existing 1997 consent decree, known as the Flores settlement, that prohibits the federal government from keeping children in immigration detention — even if they are with their parents — for more than 20 days.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/u...ive-order.html

We're no longer separating families, we're detaining them together.
06-20-2018 , 01:25 PM
omg DVAUT


06-20-2018 , 01:29 PM
[x] DVaut1 ITT
06-20-2018 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/u...ive-order.html

We're no longer separating families, we're detaining them together.
The internment compromise. Amazingly an improvement and by a lot, but still heinous.
06-20-2018 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dth123451
[x] DVaut1 ITT
Qft
06-20-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The internment compromise. Amazingly an improvement and by a lot, but still heinous.
It's not a compromise though. It's what Trump has been demanding. Oddly enough he did do the good negotiating trick of staking an extreme position and then "backing down" to one that he also wanted.
06-20-2018 , 01:44 PM
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Why an executive order could create a legal problem
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

An executive order allowing families to stay together could pose a legal problem for the administration if it decides to detain families as units.

Indefinite detention of minors would violated the Flores Settlement cecause it requires release to the "least restrictive environment" within 20 days.

If the President acts, it will be challenged immediately.

For instance, the parties that secured the Flores Consent decree would go back to the district court and argue that the government is in violation of the court order
Keep up the good work CNN, cecause why not?
06-20-2018 , 01:48 PM
Hi Dvaut.love you.
06-20-2018 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
click to read the whole thread - Schmidt basically blows up the GOP and calls for people to vote Dem across the board:

Hey, Hillary finally found a suburban DC country club voter she won over

      
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