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Old 06-19-2018, 04:46 PM   #226
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Re: The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families

Twitter thread by @JProskowGlobal, via goofball

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NEW: I just spoke with the former head of US Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) – He tells me that he expects hundreds of separated children will never be reunited with their parents. They will be lost in the system. Orphaned by the US Govt'.

He says that during his time at ICE there were rare cases where children could not be reunited with their parents. Separation becomes permanent. This was *before* Trump’s policy that has so far separated 2300+ children from their parents.

He adds there are two separate legal tracks for children and adult migrants who are detained. Adults can be deported within weeks to their home countries, children may be left in the US for years in foster care or with relatives.

"there’s very little that we in the United States can do to deter people who are fleeing this horrific violence in Central America to stop them trying to come here" John Sandweg told me.

“there’s so little that we can do that’s worse than what they are facing” Sandweg says, based on his experience at ICE.

"the federal government is not very good at keeping track of kids and parents.” he says.

"if the administration doesn’t reunify these children very quickly, which is logistically very hard to do, you’re going to have a lot of permanent separations."

"I think we’re going to see hundreds of cases where children are permanently separated from their parents, becoming wards of the United States"

One final thought from the former head of ICE: "I don’t understand why we’re doing this. From a border security perspective this adds nothing to securing our borders”

On child separation, former acting director of ICE John Sandweg said "the other thing that scares me Jackson, is I’m not seeing any signs that this was a planned policy change ... and I think that’s being reflected by these horrific detention facilities"
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:14 PM   #227
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The New Yorker apologized to this guy.

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Old 06-19-2018, 05:17 PM   #228
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Re: The US is detaining refugees and asylum seekers and forcibly separating families

Republicans Move to Defuse Family Separation Crisis Through Legislation (85% chance this is BS and they'll demand too much with the legislation, but who knows)
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Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, said that “all of the members of the Republican conference support a plan that keeps families together,” endorsing an approach that would provide legal authority to detain parents and children together while their legal status in the country is assessed by the courts.
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Rejecting a proposal by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to increase personnel in immigration courts with the hiring of up to 375 new judges, Mr. Trump suggested that many of the immigration judges could be corrupt, and he said some lawyers who appear in their courtrooms are “bad people.”
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The president once again blamed Democrats for supporting “crippling loopholes that cause family separation” and claimed without evidence that Democratic politicians are eager to let members of MS-13 and other violent gangs into the United States so they can eventually vote for them.
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In a series of tweets on Tuesday morning, Mr. Trump continued to falsely blame Democrats for forcing the separations and calling for Congress to enact hard-line changes to immigration laws that he says would make the zero-tolerance policy at the border unnecessary.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:32 PM   #229
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:35 PM   #230
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You know how cops and really any white person can get away with violence against black people in the south because of course they can lol it's the ****ing south?

Time for someone to beat the ****ing **** out of Stephen Miller and let a prosecutor try for a conviction with a D.C. jury.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:36 PM   #231
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Miller should have won the worst person in the Trump administration playoff. I think I massively underrated him.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:52 PM   #232
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That is the face of a 32-year-old. I know people twice his age who don't look that old.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:56 PM   #233
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:57 PM   #234
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That is the face of a 32-year-old. I know people twice his age who don't look that old.
He was born the same year as Carly Rae Jepsen.
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:20 PM   #235
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That is the face of a 32-year-old. I know people twice his age who don't look that old.
You just want to punch him hard but he looks old and fragile.
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:32 PM   #236
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Nah, I'd be okay with punching him hard.
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:40 PM   #237
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There is a second rebuttal to the argument that people who commit misdemeanors have their children taken away so why is this different. Besides the argument that these people are not criminals, there is the perhaps stronger argument that it is wrong to incarcerate the non dangerous small time criminals if it will harm their children.

That will be countered by the argument that such a policy allows people to game the system. To which the reply should be "that is a downside we must endure. Just like when terrorists use children as human shields. When they do that we don't bomb.

The general principle is that people should not be as concerned as they appear to be about getting scammed. Whether it applies to this issue, when be approached by a down and out appearing panhandler, or when considering my proposal to give amnesty to criminals who could get an innocent person out of jail when they in fact were the actual perpatrater.
Like with so many issues that are moral rather than political, the issue about gaming the system/etc is so dominated by the moral issue that it's not even worthy of consideration.

That bit is trivially easy. The difficult bit comes when someone like trump is trying to 'game the system' by using the kids. If he offers to release them in return for something he wants then, like kidnapping, it can come down to very difficult choices.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:31 PM   #238
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This has me more furious than anything else the trump & republicans have done.

Already effectively ended one friendship over it.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:33 PM   #239
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Nah, I'd be okay with punching him hard.
He has a HOF punchable face for sure. It's kind of impressive that he can say things that make you want to punch it more.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:49 PM   #240
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:54 PM   #241
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This has me more furious than anything else the trump & republicans have done.

Already effectively ended one friendship over it.
Yeah I can't deal with Trump tards.

Shows me who the real dirt bags are in my life.

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Old 06-19-2018, 08:01 PM   #242
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:06 PM   #243
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This has me more furious than anything else the trump & republicans have done.

Already effectively ended one friendship over it.
I ended them all immediately with everyone who supported him and including "give him a chance". I simply can't be a friend with anyone who supports that personality. Also, now I have no friends but reality is they weren't really friends of mine anyway. Anyone you're pretty sure would snap cheer at sending you to a re-education camp isn't.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:10 PM   #244
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:15 PM   #245
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I'd be capable of killing that guy with my bare hands if we purged and it were legal for a day.
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Old 06-19-2018, 08:26 PM   #246
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My ****ing god old white people are the absolute ****ing worst.

Even my dad, a registered Democrat, thinks JoePa was treated unfairly.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:14 PM   #247
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:32 PM   #248
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church law lol

edit: holy **** methodists really can excommunicate him i was just joking
The denomination's Book of Discipline allows for a member to be expelled from the United Methodists after a trial, the Rev. William Lawrence told the News Service
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:40 PM   #249
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