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09-07-2007 , 12:59 PM

Metric

old hand

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Anyone care to take a shot at an estimate? I'm curious about the total number of "Borodog-type" ACist's in the world -- that is, educated, productive people who have come to the AC philosophy based on reasoned economic and ethical considerations (specifically not counting the "teen angst" variety of anarchists).

I'm going to throw out the first number that comes to mind -- I'm guessing that there are fewer than a million such people in the world, total. How badly wrong (or how overly safe) do you think this guess is?

09-07-2007 , 01:09 PM

elwoodblues

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If you are making the distinction between supporters of very small versus NO government then I would think 1 million is probably on the high side (especially if you throw out the teen-angst anarchists). This forum WAY skews one's perspective on the support for the AC philosophy.

09-07-2007 , 01:22 PM

bocablkr

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To be honest I have never met one in person and did not even know about AC until I joined this forum. I suspect the number of true adherents to be less than 1,000,000.

09-07-2007 , 02:38 PM

tomdemaine

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Are you counting self proclaimed ACists only or all those whose principles when logically applied lead to a society without a state?

09-07-2007 , 02:54 PM

Metric

old hand

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Quote:

Are you counting self proclaimed ACists only or all those whose principles when logically applied lead to a society without a state?

Estimates for both would be welcome, of course, but I suppose I had in mind the people who at some point have had the conscious realization that their ideas and principles ultimately point toward a stateless society.

09-07-2007 , 05:18 PM

Nielsio

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Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

09-07-2007 , 05:26 PM

jstnrgrs

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Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

09-07-2007 , 05:28 PM

mosdef

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Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

pvn will send a bulk PM. I check for mine every day.

09-07-2007 , 05:33 PM

Nielsio

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Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

09-07-2007 , 05:36 PM

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TomCollins

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Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

09-07-2007 , 06:52 PM

#11

jstnrgrs

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Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,840

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

So you believe that if we can get 10,000 people, we can stop paying taxes? I think we need much more than that, and they can't just be people who think AC is an okay idea. They need to be people who are willing to stop paying taxes, and suffer whatever consequences the government is able to impose. I think we need at least 1,000,000 such people before anything can be effectively done.

09-07-2007 , 06:54 PM

#12

Dan.

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Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,068

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

09-08-2007 , 02:30 AM

#13

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 47,019

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It looks like the real problem will be "What's AC's position on space travel" since 10 years after the 10 trillion mark, there's gonna be like a bajillion of them, they'll have to press onward.

Cody

09-08-2007 , 02:45 AM

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Kaj

banned

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,370

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It looks like the real problem will be "What's AC's position on space travel" since 10 years after the 10 trillion mark, there's gonna be like a bajillion of them, they'll have to press onward.

Cody

Backhanded mockery of the minority who hold anarchist views is rather silly. History proves over and over that those who create real social progress are always as a rule those who hold minority opinions.

09-08-2007 , 03:20 AM

#15

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 47,019

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It looks like the real problem will be "What's AC's position on space travel" since 10 years after the 10 trillion mark, there's gonna be like a bajillion of them, they'll have to press onward.

Cody

1) Lighten up Francis.

2) (Edit: Not really at you Kaj, everyone in general) Stop with the "We're hated so we're right". Scientologists are a "hated" minority, and certainly you (and I) think they're nuts. Simply being hated doesn't make one right. I'm sure you believe in your ideals just like everyone does, but they idea that simply being in the minority promises success or should instantly confer respect is pretty silly

3) Lighten up Francis.

Cody

09-08-2007 , 03:26 AM

#16

Kaj

banned

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,370

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It looks like the real problem will be "What's AC's position on space travel" since 10 years after the 10 trillion mark, there's gonna be like a bajillion of them, they'll have to press onward.

Cody

Being hated doesn't make one right .... nor does it make one wrong ... Francis.

09-08-2007 , 06:58 AM

#17

tomdemaine

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,065

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Are you counting self proclaimed ACists only or all those whose principles when logically applied lead to a society without a state?

The first very few the latter nearly everyone.

09-08-2007 , 07:11 AM

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RedBean

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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,427

Based on reading this forum, my answer would be "too many."

Q: How can you tell an ACist from a statist?
A: This isn't a joke, I'm actually curious, who's who in here?

09-08-2007 , 08:19 AM

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Subfallen

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Anyone who has felt the authentic joy of real intellectual community is an AC'er waiting to happen.

On the other hand, everyone who knows only the suspicious human, the small-minded human, the self-loathing, creeping human who needs the whip and the yoke...those are the statists.

09-08-2007 , 09:15 AM

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ianlippert

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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,960

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How many people dont vote?

They may not be educated on the finer points of AC or even know what AC is but they are essentially living their life in an AC manner.

09-08-2007 , 09:18 AM

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ianlippert

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Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,960

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Based on reading this forum, my answer would be "too many."

Q: How can you tell an ACist from a statist?
A: This isn't a joke, I'm actually curious, who's who in here?

The funny thing about this forum is that the majority of the 'statists' are actually minarchists. Its amazing how crazy the debates can get over such a small point. We've lost most of the true statists over time. I actually cant think of their names, but there were two main ones. Can anyone refresh my memory?

09-08-2007 , 11:24 AM

#22

pvn

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Quote:

Based on reading this forum, my answer would be "too many."

Q: How can you tell an ACist from a statist?
A: This isn't a joke, I'm actually curious, who's who in here?

Stick around, it doesn't take too long to figure it out.

09-08-2007 , 12:20 PM

#23

Howard Beale

Formerly red

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 22,190

There can't be too many Borodog types. Certainly not a million. You're aiming too high when you mention him, he's that smart. As to how many (how to put it?) 'like the sentiment' or 'crave the freedom' promised by an ideally realized AC society the number is vast but it is all no use anyway. Human nature would never allow it.

09-08-2007 , 08:59 PM

#24

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 47,019

Quote:

Based on reading this forum, my answer would be "too many."

Q: How can you tell an ACist from a statist?
A: This isn't a joke, I'm actually curious, who's who in here?

Alfrin M. and another I can't remember, though Alfrin posts occasionally.

Cody

09-08-2007 , 09:02 PM

#25

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 47,019

Quote:

Whatever the number is, it's growing exponentially.

So when can I stop paying taxes?

After you've converted a hundred people, and each one of those has converted another hundred.

In 10 years, there will be over 1 TRILLION Anarcho Capitalists!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It looks like the real problem will be "What's AC's position on space travel" since 10 years after the 10 trillion mark, there's gonna be like a bajillion of them, they'll have to press onward.

Cody

Being hated doesn't make one right .... nor does it make one wrong ... Francis.

Right, so you'll notice I don't being up that "Sanity/rightousness by consensus" argument.

Cody

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