JC should try and bring in Co determination. This a law that insists workers representitives are elected onto the board of directors.

Sounds like socialist brain fart that can only go wrong amirite?

Works brilliantly for Germany, who I hear do quite well economically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codete...ion_in_Germany

Actually I have no skin in the should we have CD in the UK but I think its an interesting example of a policy that in a vacuum would be presented as a horrible throw back socialist anti captialist anti competitive ideological idiocy when in fact its a core component of the social economics in the most powerful economy in Europe.

I wonder how many other such lefty throw back ideas/policies share the same status?

Every one of them. Even the term 'throw back' seems quite pejorative. Why would it be 'throw back' - throw back to what, exactly? We've never had a bona fide example of socialism that wasn't quickly crushed by the western elite, if at all, no matter what America believes the dungeon of soviet russia was. It's the same **** with Corbyn and his opposition accusing him of wanting to take Britain back to the 80s. The establishment will do/say anything to preserve their status. The problem for them is that more and more people are getting information from other sources. We're probably still far from the tipping point but it's coming sooner or later.

Your example above is typical of the kind of common sense policy that just isn't brought into the conversation in any significant way - at least not in the UK. It's fundamental to the left argument, but the right don't want decision making power in the hands of anyone who can challenge them, and so it remains.

Bringing in mandated German style second boards would be a massive shift in culture and regulated practice. It requires a much more cooperative approach to management and worker interaction than exists in the current UK union dynamic.

Also it is by definition a throw back policy from the 70s. It was literally an idea floated by Harold Wilson.

The easiest solution is to have some fraction of NEDs being worker representatives, subsequently taking positions overseeing the exec directors, taking part in remuneration and audit committees for eg. It would be similar to the Swedish system but resemble the current system requiring little change in regulated and recommended practice whilst giving workers the direct power in how the company is run. If nothing else it'd be a middle step.

Corbyn rhetoric of I would be moderate in Germany is pretty solid.

That depends on how you define it. In this context, throw back has taken on a pejorative tone, with it being used to try to disparage Corbyn's proposals.

Regardless of when it first happened - and it goes back way further than Harold Wilson - it is a common sense approach to management in my opinion. It should be standard, not seen as some kind of great shift in cultural practice.

The idea is older, it's a post WW2 idea. But it's specifically a Wilson idea to introduce this to Britain. Whether you think it's pejorative in use the term throw back wholly applies. This proposal predates my lifetime and AFAIK hasn't been proposed again during my lifetime.

Whether it should be standard is a very different argument to whether it is a bit cultural shift.

Given many of the companies that would be affected do not have unionised workers this would be a HUGE change that starts with a massive giveaway to unions that neither workers nor managers want. Forced unionisation is hugely controversial.

Just the idea of regulating how the board is made up like this would be a big shift. There are very few rules on board structure other than an equal number of NEDs to execs and even that change was pretty controversial. Whether you agree or not Britain's regulatory culture is to allow innovation if it can be explained (and for the record co determination is currently allowed in Britain, it's just not chosen by unions, management and owners).

It's difficult to have a serious discussion when you present such arrogance.

Way to go JC.

60% in 1st round despite 100k+ votes apparently vanishing somewhere

Did I hear correctly that over 85% of newly registered party members voted for him?

Registered supporters, and 49% of members

He was 200/1 to be party leader three months ago.

Now his 7/1 to be next prime minister.

Odds against to be labour leader for the next general election tho.....

Clearly many knives will be out but I wonder how they get rid of him as leader when he has such huge support.

Odds on him being leader at the next election are 1/5 according to paddy power

Do we get to see the second preferences?

I'd like to know which way Andy Burnhams supporters were leaning.

This clearly shows he's going to win 28.6 terms in a row. #maths

He must read this board. A lot of Obama is center right nonsense.

If he is 1/5 to still be leader, but only 7/1 to be the next PM, that doesn't say much about his chances in a two-horse race.

Him being 200/1 didn't say much about his chances in a four horse race. The Labour has contributed to this narrative that Corbyn is unelectable, it's now their job to address this narrative and demonstrate they are.

Has Britain become a Karl Marxtopia yet?

Also it's not really a 2 horse race

Lib dems might enjoy a resurgence from the more centrist Labour supporters leaving Labour the 'winning horse' but on the wrong side of a coalition.

He isn't in power and he's a democratic socialist not a Marxist.

That's the sort of mentality Corbyn will have to overcome if he's to be successful as leader. The media will be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of what they can do to him with scare stories.

He was my local MP when I first moved away from home, and I liked him. He's one of the few of his type left in Parliament now: a politician trying to act with as much honour and integrity as is possible in politics, instead of pushing meaningless Blairite catch phrases and BS that are simply devices employed to gain and retain power for the sake of it...the career politicians.

I fear he will be eaten alive.

Hopefully he maintains an engaged and active base. It's not just down to Corbyn to redress how he's presented.

That's definitely the fear.

It's possible something has changed dramatically though with the conventional media not mattering so much anymore.

The betting is to be the next PM, so it's a two-horse race.