FWIW Communism was long referred to as a Jewish plot by those on the right.

One would not expect a Labour leader to survive a 172-40 vote of no confidence, while presiding of a party that has become so institutionally anti-Semitic under his leadership that a Jewish MP needed police protection at their own party conference, with several MP's leaving the party over the issue of anti-Semitism.

Meanwhile idiots defend the scandal of anti-Semitism as a right-wing medja invention.

it's depressing. Not just what is happening on the left, but the right too.

You're either a fool who cannot see that the effect on public opinion of reports of Labour antisemitism in the more widely read Mail, Sun, Express, Telegraph and Times outweighs by several times reports of Tory Islamophobia in the Mirror, Guardian and Indy, or you're a totally dishonest poster unwilling to face the facts.

You're probably not even aware that in the 80's leading Tories Leon Brittan and Nigel Lawson were regarded as having no prospects of ever becoming leader because they were Jewish even despite Disraeli, one of their most eminent leaders, being Jewish because the party faithful in the modern era simply wouldn't tolerate it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/shana-grice-murder-stalking-police-sussex-a8862611.html

Nice to see your cops are the same as ours in america.

Cliffs, lady calls cops on her dude a bunch, cops fine her for wasting their time, she gets brutally murdered by him

well there is one difference, those cops might actually get in some trouble for that

wow going back 30 years to defend Labour antisemitism by deflection rather than refutation, and cannot see a problem.

lolz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I've said many times that Labour has a problem with antisemitism and I'm considering voting Green because of it.

How about you and Tory Islamophobia? Cannot see a problem perhaps?

Thought so.

I will be voting green.

It only dawned on me that I will have to decide who to vote for in these Euro elections. Not particularly fond of the 2nd referendum crew which puts out my usual two parties (Lib Dem/Green), and don't feel great about voting for Labour in its current form. The other options are...unappealing.

Corbyn is doing a better job of defending Julian Assange than he ever did of standing up for Luciana Berger.

The Green PPB last night was the very first time I've actually seen a PPB that was informative and helpful and not just total bull****. They told you what they've done and where... and I like what they did a lot. They seem a great party to support at local level.

Indeed.

Indeed
Nah.
There's hope for you yet

No. It was in no way anti Semitic or racist as anyone can see & I very strongly suspect that if you weren't Jewish he'd be using the exact same expression, due to the fact he considers you simply a pest, regardless of your background.

There's very very real anti Semitism, Islamophobia & bigotry in the world. We've seen what it can do throughout history & in the past two decades, the mass murder in NZ last month being a pertinent example. It's really really not cool to throw false intimations of anti Semitism into a debate against another poster because why tf not, when we have enough of it in the real world.

Don't sink to such levels if you wish your posts & opinions to be taken seriously & this is coming from someone who's had disagreements with this specific poster before on other issues & who I regard as having no sense of humour. It really puts you in a bad light.
Cheers.

Informing a poster they used a racist trope, you think it was accidental and are giving them a PSA to use language more carefully would you'd think be evidence of acting in good faith but apparently is a bad thing because reasons :/

You knew bloody well he wasn't being anti Semitic, regardless of whatever spin you wish to put on it.

QFT.

Yea lets keep lazer focus on Labour party and contextualise discussion about the objectively greater racism in the actual ruling party via Labour.

Your lip service to what is happening in the governing party could not be more apparent and obvious. You dont give two ****s about racism in the Tory party and this whole issue is just a partisan football to you to score points against Labour. You probably only care about antisemitism in the context of it hurting Labour.

Also

Anyone complaining about the Labour press ignoring antisemitism, only needs to search The Guardian for a few seconds to see what a totally false claim this is.

Would you care to share the methodology for calculating this?

Jalfrezi reacts the way most people do to being attacked. They tend to get defensive, attack more and disengage from any discussion.

I'm notorious for 'going to the pain for racists' so i will point out that jalfrezi isn't anti-semetic. Also labelling things 'whataboutism' is mostly just a silly rhetorical trick - putting things in the greater context is entirely reasonable

Thank you chez.

Of course I meant "pest" as in someone who was pestering me for responses hysterical walls of text with multi links that I wasn't going to be pushed into reading, and not in any anti-Semitic sense. PGUK should think about how the tone and demands of his posts are likely to be received.

Yes... quite. Of course, Assange's lawyer Jen Robinson is an old shag-buddy of Seumas's and Seumas calls the shots. Plus basically everything Alex Massie says here.

https://capx.co/labours-defence-of-a...and-revealing/

Awful article and logic by Alex Massie

Being totally opposed to the extradition of Assange does not remotely imply that "Assange is on the side of justice, progress, and the angels" Or that what counts is sticking it to teh

In fact this whole paragraph is drivel

Agreed....

I'll also back up Jalfrazi in not being antisemitic and/or acting in a racist/bigotry way..

And it was me who PM'd PGUK with the appoligy for my shilling posts... As I was out off order, I also appoligised for straying into what is seen as antisemitism in posting in that I did not mean to be antisemitic and PGUK accepted this. Thanks.

What you mean is, it's true so you don't like it. And Assange's extradition proceedings are a matter for the courts. The Home Secretary only has a say if the courts approve the warrant. So Corbyn and Abbott are, predictably, out of order because, as Communists, they don't respect the courts anyway, or indeed any authority except the Party and Vladimir Putin.

I was rather wondering that. Another day, another Labour anti-Semitism scandal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-47911930

The Tories' Islamophobia problem will be an ever-growing story because of the 'purple entryists', the Kippers who are taking over the party. But whataboutery is ultimately a meaningless pursuit.

Here is a fairly good lay explanation as to why Corbyn, Abbott, Seumas and Seumas's shag-buddy Jen Robinson (Assange's lawyer) are completely wrong in law.

https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2...-human-rights/

And here is the not-so-lay opinion of Charlie Falconer, former Solicitor-General and Lord Chancellor.