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04-01-2019 , 12:42 PM
lol what a prat she is.
04-08-2019 , 12:52 PM
Blackford, you honestly couldn't mark his neck with a blowtorch.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3...1-613f81256d20

The SNP’s Westminster leader has defended his link to arms manufacturers that sell weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Ian Blackford rejected calls to resign as chairman of Golden Charter Trust, a funeral plan provider that indirectly benefits from arms manufacturers including BAE Systems, Raytheon, Airbus, Northrop Grumman and Harris Corporation, all of which have ties to Saudi defence. He denied that he personally invested in these companies, but his register of interests states that he earns £3,091 a month for 32 hours’ work a year as the trust’s chairman.

The trust’s biggest collective investment is Artisan Global Equity Fund, which makes money from defence investments. The fund’s biggest investment is in Harris Corporation. Raytheon is also in the top five.

The Scottish government has been criticised for awarding nearly £200,000 to Raytheon, which makes guidance systems for arms sold to Saudi Arabia and allegedly used in Yemen. Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister, said that the money was for “non-military uses and for business diversification”. Mr Blackford has repeatedly urged the prime minister to end arms sales to Saudi Arabia, accusing the country of human rights violations and pushing Yemen “to the brink of famine”.

He rejected calls to divest Golden Charter Trust’s defence holdings. He told Sunday Politics Scotland on BBC One: “Is anybody really saying that people shouldn’t invest in British Aerospace, which is a company that makes equipment for the UK defence industry? That is just nonsense.

“The SNP is very clear that the government should take action to make sure that we are not selling arms to Saudi Arabia. That is for humanitarian reasons, and is a very different proposition altogether.”

Lesley Laird, the shadow Scottish secretary, said that Mr Blackford’s investments were “staggering” and accused the SNP of hypocrisy. “Ian Blackford should either divest from these companies, or better still, resign his chairmanship of Golden Charter, and provide his constituents in Ross, Skye and Lochaber with a full-time MP,” she said. Mr Blackford replied that any suggestion he was not a full-time MP was “nonsense”.

BAE Systems and the French aviation manufacturer Airbus are part of a consortium that sold 72 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets to the Royal Saudi Air Force in 2007.

Andrew Smith, a spokesman for the Campaign Against Arms Trade, told The Scottish Mail on Sunday: “The bombardment of Yemen would not be possible without the weapons provided by these companies. The SNP has rightly criticised these arms sales and the UK government’s complicity in the destruction.

“Ian Blackford has been among the most vocal opponents of the UK’s role in the war. We urge him to do everything he can to ensure his personal business is consistent with his political positions. By investing in the arms industry, Golden Charter Trust Limited is supporting it.”

Chris Nineham, vice-chairman of Stop the War Coalition, said: “Unfortunately, many companies have links with arms manufacturers, and the arms industry invests in many institutions in society. We encourage disinvestment and urge people to put maximum pressure on the government to break links with Saudi Arabia.”
04-08-2019 , 01:02 PM
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mons-standards

Boris Johnson has been accused of “an over-casual attitude towards obeying the rules of the house” after a Commons standards watchdog found he had failed to declare his share of a property in Somerset on time.

The Commons standards committee said the former foreign secretary had breached rules by failing to declare a financial interest within the required time limit.

The committee dismissed Johnson’s claim that he had not fully understood the rules. Johnson failed to register a 20% share of the ownership of the property within the timetabled 28 days of acquiring it.

The committee said this offence followed a previous failure to register a financial interest.

“The committee noted with concern that two investigations by the commissioner in rapid succession demonstrate a pattern of behaviour by Mr Johnson which reinforces their previous view that he had displayed an over-casual attitude towards obeying the rules of the house,” the ruling found.
04-09-2019 , 12:40 PM
Oh look what we have here. Another day another Tory party Islamophobia expose:


Facebook posts about Sajid Javid deepen Tory Islamophobia row


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The Conservatives have been dragged into fresh controversy over Islamophobia after it emerged self-professed party members have been discussing how they could prevent Sajid Javid becoming prime minister.

Tory supporters who claim to be members of the party have attacked the home secretary online for his Muslim background and pledged to back another candidate to prevent any potential leadership bid he might make.

The social media posts, reported by Buzzfeed News, prompted the chairman of the Conservative Muslim Forum to call on the party to do more to promote inclusivity.

One man wrote on Facebook that he had joined the party to help install a Brexiter leader, adding of Javid: “Britain is not ready for a Muslim PM, that would be taking the absolute piss out of the country.”

A woman wrote that she was staying on as a Tory member “so that we can elect the right leader”, commenting that Javid “will protect his own. He was sworn in on the Koran.”

The comments made on Facebook by 20 the self-professed Tory party members are part of a batchunearthed by the anonymous @matesjacob Twitter account, which has been exposing Islamophobia.

Mohammed Amin, chairman of the Conservative Muslim Forum, branded the comments “outrageous”. He said: “The comments from these individuals are deplorable. There are people with bigoted views in all political parties. But a serious question that our party’s leadership needs to ask itself is, what is it about the Conservative party and the way that it’s projecting itself that leads people like these bigots to believe that they have a home within the Conservative party?

“Unfortunately, at the moment I don’t think it’s projecting as inclusive an image of Britain as we did, for example, under David Cameron. It needs to do much more.

“At the moment it’s believed that by dealing with individual instances as they come up that that will make the problem go away and it’s clearly failing. What it needs is much stronger leadership from the top to project a much stronger and more inclusive image.”
The Tories and their Islamophobia problem

It comes amid increasing warnings that the Conservative party is in the grips of a crisis over Islamophobia, with the former party chairwoman Sayeeda Warsi accusing Theresa May of “burying her head in the sand” over the issue.

Lady Warsi, the UK’s first female Muslim cabinet minister, has said the Tories have “turned a blind eye” to prejudice and become “institutionally Islamophobic”.

Other new comments surfacing on Facebook by Tory members include a woman who wrote: “I’m ready to cancel my membership, only holding on to it in case I could use it against them,” adding that “Britain has an Islamic problem”.

The Conservative party would not comment on specific cases, but a spokeswoman added: “Discrimination or abuse of any kind is wrong. When CCHQ [Conservative campaign headquarters] has been made aware of the small number of such cases we have acted swiftly, suspending members and launching immediate investigations, in sharp contrast to other parties.

“Our complaints process is rightly a confidential one, but there are a wide range of sanctions to challenge and change behaviour, including suspension periods and expulsion.”
04-09-2019 , 02:07 PM
Not this again. YAWN

Most of the rest of us are as concerned by Labour anti Semitism as by Tory Islamophobia, unlike Labour (naturally) and the Labour press (naturally).
04-09-2019 , 04:10 PM
Worst gimmick ever, PartyGirlReallyABoyUK but at least you're in the right thread for once.
04-09-2019 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Worst gimmick ever, PartyGirlReallyABoyUK but at least you're in the right thread for once.
jfc

You're irritating and hypocritical beyond belief.

WHen PGUK posted a few links to show how prevalent and deep-rooted Labour anti-semitism is all you did was whine about how one-sided it was, despite the fact that it was in direct riposte to a wall of unbalanced hysterical posts from you about Tory Islamophobia.

Go away and start your own stupid thread entitled Tory Islamophobia (Labour anti-semitism not so bad in comparison) or something where you can scream hysterically into the void without derailing this thread WHICH IS A UK POLITICS THREAD AND NOT A WHICH GIMMICK ACCOUNTS ARE GOOD THREAD. You're a ****ing pest. Can you get help or go and lie down?
04-10-2019 , 01:28 AM
Seems the difference between left and right wing voters is that right wing voters are not stupid or deluded enough to poll up here to defend blatant racism.
04-10-2019 , 02:28 AM
Says another unintelligent right wing voter who isn't nearly as bothered by Islamophobia as by anti semitism.

Unlike you my view is they should both be drummed out of UK politics and the people responsible expelled from their respective parties, as Ilve said before here.
04-10-2019 , 05:21 AM
Thanks to "Dopiaza" (lol) for bumping this jalfrezi post which I'm divided between thinking is the worst in the history of twoplustwo or the worst in the history of the internet.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
jfc

You're irritating and hypocritical beyond belief.

WHen I posted a few links to show how prevalent and deep-rooted Tory Islamophobia is all I got was you whining about how one-sided it was, despite the fact that it was in direct riposte to a wall of unbalanced hysterical posts from you about Labour's anti-semitism.

Go away and start your own stupid thread entitled Labour anti-semitism (Tory Islamophobia not so bad in comparison) or something where you can scream hysterically into the void without derailing this thread WHICH IS A BREXIT THREAD. You're a ****ing pest. Can you get help or go and lie down?
Let's take this sentence by sentence since the amount of bull**** is unprecedented.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
jfc

You're irritating and hypocritical beyond belief.
As we'll soon see this is pure projection.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
WHen I posted a few links to show how prevalent and deep-rooted Tory Islamophobia is all I got was you whining about how one-sided it was, despite the fact that it was in direct riposte to a wall of unbalanced hysterical posts from you about Labour's anti-semitism.
My "wall" of posts about Labour's anti-semitism consisted of one post with three smileys and a link. I pointed this out at the time and you unleashed a bunch of ad hominems at me and then stopped responding.

My very previous post itt unambiguously called out Tory Islamophobia (without resorting to the "of course it is bad if it happens but what about..." you're so fond of). I also pointed this out at the time.

Before that I called out Magic Grandpa for saying Chris Williamson wasn't an anti-Semite predicting Williamson would soon say something so anti-Semitic even Magic Grandpa would be forced to suspend him. Was that "unbalanced and hysterical"?

Before that I said (again) that Tories have an Islamophobia problem and that Islamophobia in right wing UK media is a much bigger problem that anti-Semitism in left wing UK media.

I pointed this all out to you a month ago. You're like ****ing Sideshow Bob. I have little doubt we're going to repeat this ("why doesn't PartyGirlUK ever call out Tory Islamophobia?") in a month.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Go away and start your own stupid thread entitled Labour anti-semitism (Tory Islamophobia not so bad in comparison) or something where you can scream hysterically into the void without derailing this thread WHICH IS A BREXIT THREAD.
Since our discussion a month ago I didn't, until two days ago post about anti-Semitism. I did, however, bump a thread specifically to call out right wing Islamophobia.

Oh, and post in another thread about the scourge of Islamophobia and how you can get away with saying things about Muslims that you couldn't about other minorities (such as Jews).

Another post on the same theme in the same thread.

And another.

And another, this time calling out UKIP's Islamophobia.

A post in another new thread calling out right wing Western Islamophobia.

And another, highlighting the disparities in media coverage of violence perpetrated by Muslims v. violence perpetrated by non-Muslims.

And in yet another different thread here I am calling for sanctions to combat the Islamophobia of a right wing Western government.

So if I'm unbalanced in any particular direction perhaps it's in calling out Islamophobia too much and anti-Semitism not enough? And yet you had you no problems with those posts and just flip out when I point out blatant anti-Semitism itt (which you ignored and later defended).

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Go away and start your own stupid thread entitled Labour anti-semitism (Tory Islamophobia not so bad in comparison) or something where you can scream hysterically into the void without derailing this thread WHICH IS A BREXIT THREAD.
We've already determined this is a bunch of crap but let's focus on who posts about anti-semitism in a BREXIT THREAD. Something you think is a big no-no. So who might have done it. Surely jalfrezi wouldn't be a hypocrite? Wait, what's this? Just six days before saying you couldn't talk about anti-semitism in a BREXIT THREAD, jalfrezi talked about anti-semitism in a BREXIT THREAD? I'm shocked and disappointed! The difference between your post and mine was you posted about anti-semitism to say you wished Labour was able to sweep it under the rug, which apparently is fine, I posted to call it out, which apparently isn't.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

Here's jalfrezi, less than three hours before insisting we discuss only Brexit, a mandate so strict posters aren't even allowed to call out extreme racism, explicitly saying it's actually OK to talk about things that have nothing to do with Brexit (if they make Tories look bad).

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.

remember our exchange a month ago, when I pointed out you'd described a post with three smileys and a link as a rant and accused me of never calling out Tory Islamophobia when my literal previous post called out Tory Islamophobia? In the middle of our discussion a poster accused me of being a shill paid by (((foreign))) forces and then, bizarrely, posted a conspiracy theorist's video about alleged Israeli war crimes - something they got banned for. I know you saw their posts since they were multitudinous and you were replying all the time. Given you're such a fearless campaigner against anti-Semitism, why didn't you call them out? Actually have you ever called out "left wing" anti-Semitism without also downplaying or adding "what about the Tories?"?

(btw said poster who got banned DMed me an excellent apology which I accepted without reservation. To my mind the issue is totally behind me and I don't want to instigate a pile on.)

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
You're a ****ing pest. Can you get help or go and lie down?
Calling Jews pests is classic anti-Semitism. Either you're ignorant of this which is weird since you're so ultra woke and absolutely opposed to anti-Semitism or it was deliberately racist. (I think it's the former and you just need to be more careful with your language fwiw but who knows.)

tl/dr

- you called three smileys and a link "an unbalanced wall".
- you said predicting Chris Williamson would get suspended for anti-Semitism was "hysterical".
- you accused the guy who has probably called out right wing Islamophobia more than any other poster on this site of never calling out right wing Islamophobia.
- you posted about anti-semitism in the BREXIT THREAD six days before saying no one should post about anti-semitism in the BREXIT THREAD.
- you said it's OK to talk about stuff unrelated to Brexit in the BREXIT THREAD less than three hours before saying I'm not allowed to call out someone mocking the oppressive racism directed at my family friend for years because it's a BREXIT THREAD (but it was OK for that person to mock Luciana's death threats in the BREXIT THREAD because reasons).
- you said you're a fearless campaigner against anti-semitism despite attacking everyone who calls out anti-semitism.
- you said you're a fearless campaigner against anti-semitism despite ignoring anti-semitic posts.
- you used an anti-semitic epithet against a Jewish poster.

Last edited by PartyGirlUK; 04-10-2019 at 05:35 AM.
04-10-2019 , 05:29 AM
I never read your walls of text but your obsessive behaviour is a bit disturbing.

04-10-2019 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
WHen I posted a few links [snip] it was in direct riposte to a wall of unbalanced hysterical posts from you about Labour's anti-semitism.
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
I never read your walls of text but your obsessive behaviour is a bit disturbing.
Oh. My. F****ing. God.
04-10-2019 , 05:48 AM
Skimming != reading obviously.

I've never had to do this before but you're going on Ignore if I can work out how to do it. Bye and good luck.
04-10-2019 , 10:25 AM
04-10-2019 , 10:26 AM
04-10-2019 , 10:41 AM
Scruton, darling of the Tory right...

...on Hungarian Jews: “Anybody who doesn’t think that there’s a Soros empire in Hungary has not observed the facts.”

...on the Chinese: "Each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing."

...on Islamophobia: "a propaganda word invented by the Muslim Brotherhood in order to stop discussion of a major issue"
04-10-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Oh. My. F****ing. God.
Meanwhile, my old neighbour Charlie Falconer, who has declined to carry out an internal Labour investigation because of the ongoing EHRC inquiry, has this (he is, of course, referring to the Macpherson criteria for institutional racism):--

04-10-2019 , 06:01 PM
Oddly, despite media saying that antisemitism has been widespread within Labour since the dawn of time, I don't recall any media giving a single actual example of it
04-10-2019 , 06:47 PM
The result of a nationwide referendum has been overturned for the first time in modern Switzerland's history.

The poll, held in February 2016, asked the country's voters whether married couples and co-habiting partners should pay the same tax.

Voters rejected the proposal, with 50.8% against and 49.2% in favour.

But the supreme court has now voided the result on the grounds that voters were not given full information, and the vote must be re-run.
The information provided to the electorate was "incomplete" and therefore "violated the freedom of the vote", the court ruled.

Democracy.
04-10-2019 , 07:55 PM
Switzerland has 10 referendums a year or something. Pretty impressive that this is the only one where voters were not given full information.
04-11-2019 , 01:37 AM
"Full information".
04-11-2019 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Says another unintelligent right wing voter who isn't nearly as bothered by Islamophobia as by anti semitism.
This kind of response says much more about you as a person and your views than it does about me x
04-11-2019 , 05:49 AM
Nah.

Despite all the bleatings about how posters take tory islamaphobia just as seriously, a review of the posting itt shows two things two be objectively true.

1: Posters make an equivalence between the levels of racism in the two parties. Obviously false. Get back to me when favourite to be next leader of the Labour party says an analogue of Muslim women wearing the burka look like letterboxes ala Boris.

2: Any observations about Islamophobia get parsed through the lens of Labour's antisemitism.

Its pretty clear that for many posters (not all) they dont give two ****s about what is happening in Tory party and its something they only pay lip service too whilst rushing in a stampede to poor scorn on the Labour party.
04-11-2019 , 06:20 AM
Boris is a fool and not fit to lead a political party.

It's no surprise to me or an intelligent observer that people on the right don't tend to like browns, just as people on the left don't like Jews.

However, the Ken Clarke's of the centre-right are no more racist than the Yvette Cooper's of the centre-left are anti-Semitic.

It's really surprising that this needs pointing out to some people, but here we are.
04-11-2019 , 06:42 AM
What Boris is of no matter.

That he can say that and still be favourite is.

Would not be possible for a potential Labour leader, analogue of letterbox comment would end their career.

This is the actual issue, not your weird hand wave of superficial generalisation.

Does not surprise me this needs pointing out.

      
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