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02-26-2019 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker


The hilarious thing about this is *it's so ****ing likely* Williamson takes his Jew-baiting act a step too far for even for MFG and gets suspended. And *of course* MFG is on the record as denying Williamson is an anti-Semite.



So when Williamson's whip is withdrawn will MFG do the honourable thing, admit this proves he's spent decades defending anti-Semites and resign? No. He and his media mouthpieces who claim to oh-so-abhor anti-Semitism will claim MFG taking action about Williamson proves that MFG is serious about anti-Semitism!!

BTW Williamson is the only current Labour MP I would unhesitatingly call an anti-Semite (the problem is more grassroots and MFG's dissembling/enabling). But Williamson's hate is exceedingly strong. He ****ing trolled Jews the day of the Pittsburgh shooting ffs. How he wasn't kicked out then ... what more do you need?
02-26-2019 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Chris Williamson tells a Momentum meeting Labour have been 'too apologetic' over anti-semitism

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...tism-1-9618191
He did do that, yeah. To loud acclaim. Because that's Corbyn Labour. They operate on a 'hierarchy of oppression' principle, and they think Jews aren't 'oppressed', they're 'privileged', so you can do what you like to them. Under Corbyn Labour rules, post the 'constitutional convention' they're proposing which would bring in a one-party police state, that will mean stripping Jews of their citizenship (and John McDonnell has already suggested, in a letter to the then Home Secretary Theresa May in 2014, that all Anglo-Jews with dual Israeli citizenship who have served in the IDF must be stripped of UK citizenship, which shows you where the Corbyn clique's thinking is going) or, of course, just killing them.



The unknown Labour MP's description of Williamson, cited above, is obviously correct, and he's only got a majority in the hundreds so he'll probably evaporate like a vampire in sunlight at the next election, but meantime he's a friend of Jeremy's so he's untouchable.
02-26-2019 , 04:31 PM
While I have no doubt many would like it I don't think Magic Grandpa starting up the gas chambers is particularly realistic. That seems a little hysterical.

I also think he'll have his hand forced over Voldemort. And then claim he'd love to talk about it but can't due to due process and also the fact Labour suspended Voldemort proves how tough he is on anti-Semitism. People shout at him when he doesn't suspend anti-Semites and shout at him when he doesn't. Can't win can poor Jez!
02-26-2019 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

The unknown Labour MP's description of Williamson, cited above, is obviously correct, and he's only got a majority in the hundreds so he'll probably evaporate like a vampire in sunlight at the next election, but meantime he's a friend of Jeremy's so he's untouchable.
Funnily enough this just showed up on my twitter feed



02-26-2019 , 04:49 PM
Oh, and this just popped up.



Nick is referring, of course, to Jackie Walker, who is a totem to Corbynistas and whose reinstatement to the party they -- including notably John McDonnell, a big supporter -- urgently seek.
02-27-2019 , 08:44 AM
This slow-motion Chris Williamson car crash is spectacular, even by current political standards.
02-27-2019 , 12:29 PM
Keep saying there is no anti-Semitism in Labour, it is all a (((foreign))) "operation" and I'm acting in bad faith.

02-27-2019 , 12:34 PM
02-27-2019 , 01:05 PM
BBC Radio 4 reporting he's now suspended. Farcical.

Edit: Wow. Some Labour woman on Radio 4 defends Williamson, and claims Naz Shah's forced relocation tweet was just a joke.

Last edited by Elrazor; 02-27-2019 at 01:18 PM.
02-27-2019 , 01:20 PM
He had his whip suspended because it because a p.r problem. They initially stuck with a guy who is very very very clearly an anti-Semite. **IF true** LOTO "personally intervened to stop the suspension of Williamson" then undoubtedly LOTO is an anti-Semite. I haven't described him as such before and definitely need more information before doing so now but **IF true** there is no explanation other than that the leader of the opposition is a racist.
02-27-2019 , 04:43 PM
He only got suspended because Watson and others, including 38 MPs of the Tribune Group, demanded it. The leader didn't want to do it.



02-27-2019 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
He had his whip suspended because it because a p.r problem. They initially stuck with a guy who is very very very clearly an anti-Semite. **IF true** LOTO "personally intervened to stop the suspension of Williamson" then undoubtedly LOTO is an anti-Semite. I haven't described him as such before and definitely need more information before doing so now but **IF true** there is no explanation other than that the leader of the opposition is a racist.
If that's true he can join the PM in the pantheon of racist party leaders.
02-27-2019 , 07:08 PM
'Shadow cabinet source' tells the Independent that the leader and the general secretary (Formby) did indeed intervene to stop chief whip Nick Brown suspending Williamson, and only backtracked when the pressure from MPs got too much for them.

02-27-2019 , 08:06 PM
That is what is problematic. When you have a couple score of people including high level people in your own party calling for someone's head for antisemitic remarks whilst you are regularly being criticised for not doing enough about antisemitism and you step in to protect that person at best you just arent ready for a leadership position.

If you imagine a person leading labour who was antisemitic or at least just didnt care about antisemitism (if you consider that different) can you really think of anything they would do differently to JC? That is my biggest problem.

I think a lot of the attacks on him are bull****, in a vacuum. Some are still bull**** in context. But taken together he just cant stick around any longer. We are approaching death by 1000 cuts now. If nothing else it shows he doesnt have the intelligence to lead the opposition, let alone were he to actually become PM.
02-27-2019 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
That is what is problematic. When you have a couple score of people including high level people in your own party calling for someone's head for antisemitic remarks whilst you are regularly being criticised for not doing enough about antisemitism and you step in to protect that person at best you just arent ready for a leadership position.

If you imagine a person leading labour who was antisemitic or at least just didnt care about antisemitism (if you consider that different) can you really think of anything they would do differently to JC? That is my biggest problem.

I think a lot of the attacks on him are bull****, in a vacuum. Some are still bull**** in context. But taken together he just cant stick around any longer. We are approaching death by 1000 cuts now. If nothing else it shows he doesnt have the intelligence to lead the opposition, let alone were he to actually become PM.
You mean the only people fit for leadership are those who have the good sense to bend to this sort of stuff irrespective of their views on the merits?

You may be right but we get what we deserve.
02-28-2019 , 03:47 AM
If the LOTO was desperately seeking to defend an MP from false charges, e.g if the PLP was demanding an MP's suspension for saying (accurately) Israel operates a form of apartheid you'd have a point. But given the JLM have been calling for Williamson's suspension for six months, given Williamson's support for Walker and Livingstone and baiting of Jews after the Pittsburgh attack, his endorsement of Scott Nelson etc. it's abundantly clear the dude has a problem with Jews. Running interference for this guy is not defensible.

(this thread from June should dispel all notions otherwise)



Perhaps you are alluding to a scenario where LOTO is forced, by overwhelming pressure, to call something anti-Semitic which isn't? Indeed this is a worry: imagine an MP, perhaps a shadow cabinet minister who calls Israel an apartheid state. Correct on merit but provocative and likely to cause a backlash. Would LOTO be able to say: "hang on a second that was not actually anti-Semitic because x, y & z"? He'd get laughed out. He has zero credibility on anti-Semitism. Someone who hadn't spend their political career fawning over Jew haters, someone who had removed Williamson's whip months ago, someone who had chastised Williamson for bigotry rather than giving an interview to a Derby newspaper explicitly denying Williamson is anti-Semite: they could defend the apartheid comment, get taken seriously and perhaps change a few minds.

Jezbollah is in a bed of his own making - I will vigorously defend anyone unfairly impugned as an anti-Semite but have no sympathy for LOTO should he in future face this predicament. He she only blame himself (but won't since he's never apologised for anything ever and considers himself without sin).
03-03-2019 , 10:07 PM
Struggling towns to get £1.6bn post-Brexit boost

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A £1.6bn fund is being launched by the government to boost less well-off towns after Brexit.

Prime Minister Theresa May said: "For too long in our country prosperity has been unfairly spread... but we want it to work for all communities."

More than half the money will go to the north of England and the Midlands to bring jobs and boost economic activity.
No **** sherlock.

Always money to be found when you need a bribe - £1bn for the DUP and now this.
03-04-2019 , 09:17 AM
The Nasty Party.

And the poor Tories just can't understand why youth violence has been escalating so rapidly.
03-04-2019 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Strontium Dog
Struggling towns to get £1.6bn post-Brexit boost



No **** sherlock.

Always money to be found when you need a bribe - £1bn for the DUP and now this.
Maybe..... Na forget that.
03-04-2019 , 04:56 PM
Anyone who can listen to this and not think Labour has a big big big anti-Semitism problem, I don't know what to say. It is like something out of the beer halls.

(I note the anti-Semitism truthers went strangely quiet last week).



They've suspended the councillor in question. Her chilling racism had previously been reported to Labour, and ignored and she'd written anti-Semitic articles in Labour Briefing, the publication of Labour Representation Committee which is chaired by ... John McDonnell. But sure, nothing to see here.

At least the incompetent, racist, Stalinist ****shorm that is the Labour leadership is good for the occasional laugh.

03-04-2019 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
The Nasty Party.

And the poor Tories just can't understand why youth violence has been escalating so rapidly.
Well, Theresa May has ruled out any connection between rising knife crime and the idiotic cuts in police numbers, so it's inexplicable. Just one of those things. Aliens, possibly. Definitely not the vanishing presence of police, though. Not that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ys-theresa-may
03-04-2019 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
At least the incompetent, racist, Stalinist ****shorm that is the Labour leadership is good for the occasional laugh.
The PLP gave Formby a right going over at their meeting tonight. She blanked them as usual, claiming she only answers to the NEC, but Charlie Falconer has already discovered that the e-mail situation in regard to anti-Semitism complaints is all over the place, with e-mails going out under Unite addresses, for instance, which is why the NEC is in meltdown over Falconer just asking for the data.

Corbyn's clique are certainly incompetent, apart from anything else, and no one in charge of Labour has the faintest idea what they're doing. They've just appointed Laura Drummond-Murray, Andrew's daughter, to the anti-Semitism compliance panel, even though a matter of hours ago she had to delete her Twitter account after making defamatory remarks against Rachel Riley, who is reportedly suing her.

You couldn't make it up.
03-05-2019 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
The PLP gave Formby a right going over at their meeting tonight. She blanked them as usual, claiming she only answers to the NEC, but Charlie Falconer has already discovered that the e-mail situation in regard to anti-Semitism complaints is all over the place, with e-mails going out under Unite addresses, for instance, which is why the NEC is in meltdown over Falconer just asking for the data.

Corbyn's clique are certainly incompetent, apart from anything else, and no one in charge of Labour has the faintest idea what they're doing. They've just appointed Laura Drummond-Murray, Andrew's daughter, to the anti-Semitism compliance panel, even though a matter of hours ago she had to delete her Twitter account after making defamatory remarks against Rachel Riley, who is reportedly suing her.

You couldn't make it up.
Not the Nasty Party though.
03-05-2019 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Well, Theresa May has ruled out any connection between rising knife crime and the idiotic cuts in police numbers, so it's inexplicable. Just one of those things. Aliens, possibly. Definitely not the vanishing presence of police, though. Not that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ys-theresa-may
She has no credibility, but she is right. She is more likely responsible in other ways from her time mismanaging the home office or some side effect of austerity era cuts etc.

Its not like suddenly people heard there was a 20% reduction in police numbers so they thought stabbing someone was suddenly a good idea. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this.
03-05-2019 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
She has no credibility, but she is right. She is more likely responsible in other ways from her time mismanaging the home office or some side effect of austerity era cuts etc.

Its not like suddenly people heard there was a 20% reduction in police numbers so they thought stabbing someone was suddenly a good idea. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this.
I don't know why you assume I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm afraid you'll have to take this up with the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. (Scotland Yard's phone number is still the historic Whitehall 1212, incidentally: on the modern system that's 020 7230 1212. Of course, you may not have the credibility to get through to the Commissioner.)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-474...t-be-some-link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47452799






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