Good luck with that - there's only been one.
The Daily Mail headline sure but the costs above $1.5B?

I've come to the conclusion that you read a post,misunderstand it totally before replying with some non sequitur then ignore any further posts pointing out how and why you are wrong.
Rinse and repeat with the odd complaint about being insulted.

You can also argue Corbyn caught lightning in a bottle off the back of what most commentators call the worst Tory election campaign and manifesto in living memory.

Whether he can keep that bottled for potentially 5 years remains to be seen. Perhaps the Tories will self implode over the next 12 months and he won't have to, but it does feel like things have settled down somewhat.

Meanwhile, one of Labour's potential big hitters, Chuka Umunna, has openly defied JC and was supported by 50 other PLP members. That was a pretty strong statement of intent as the front benchers defying the party line knew they would be fired. I'm amazed so many MPs were prepared to defy Corbyn this early after what was a pretty decent result for Labour, however you chose to frame it.

The graphic you posted was misleading, it ignored the plenty of policies which would cost more than £1.5bn and implied the DUP deal was the biggest. I pointed this out, but you ignored it - how ironic. I believe you also claimed that nationalising stuff was free - hardly factual, but not that surprising when the shadow chancellor says stuff like "we aren't going to borrow, we'll issue bonds".

I'm sorry you apparently can't follow me, that doesn't make it a "non sequitur". If I've missed any posts pointing out how I'm wrong then please direct me to them if you want my view, I've asked this before but you don't post examples.

In isolation, yes you could argue for a flash in the pan. But the networks which built the vote aren't going anywhere, they are consolidating and growing. The radicalisation traces back much further (and includes the brexit vote in the sense of a rejection of established politics).
The rebellion isn't a huge surprise. Brexit has brought down 1, and soon to be 2, prime ministers, the splits within the Tory party go as deep as Labour, or deeper. As far as the stability of the government goes we are in the eye of the storm.

All of this was true before Labour got trounced in the local elections 3 months ago, and lost a by-election for a seat they had held for decades.

The 2 main factors in my opinion for the election result was the terrible performance of May, and the tuition fee cut.

One of these definitely won't be a factor in the next election, and while not being able to directly counter the tuition fee argument, the Tories will surely move to heavily shore up their own vote.

The Tories were definitely caught off-guard by Corbyn last time, so they will almost certainly be more prepared for the next election.

Do you see the bit where it clearly states Labour Party policies less than £1.5 Billion?
If I make a list of thing that I can buy for under a tenner is the list wrong because it doesn't contain things I can't buy for a tenner?
I don't even think the figures are correct - but they're the ones the conservative party issued to have a pop at labour.


Where do I claim that nationalising stuff is free or imply that the DUP deal is the biggest?
You believe some strange things.

I've come to the conclusion that you read a post,misunderstand it totally before replying with some non sequitur then ignore any further posts pointing out how and why you are wrong.
Rinse and repeat with the odd complaint about being insulted.

You really are a moron. Whether it states it's just policies under £1bn or not, it's still misrepresenting the data and is trying to make £1bn seem like a lot compared to the cost of the labour manifesto, when in fact it's a drop in the ocean. It's bull**** biased news.

My mistake, I believe it was infrastructure spending you said was free.

The £1bn really is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of re-nationalising anyway, £60bn for electricity, £70bn for water. That would make your graph look very different, but we've covered this anyway.

I thought you were above insults?
The rest of your post is drivel too.

I have enough evidence to be sure it's factually accurate.

Care to explain which part is drivel?

Stop it -you're making a fool of yourself.

Didn't think you'd have an answer. As ever, insults and no substance. I'm done with you now.

In hindsight it is clear that Copeland was a Sellafield vote. The area has nothing else and there was intense fear this could be at risk. The labour vote had been declining for many years also. Labour has just had the biggest swing in its vote since 45 so Copeland was clearly an outlier to the trend, and it didn't benefit from the national tidal wave and intensity of campaigning which is necessary to form these kinds of historic shifts.

In terms of the local elections, these were barely campaigned on, people aren't going to vote for an abstract concept. The difference with the GE was the articulation of a popular alternative through the manifesto and the interest and enthusiasm around this programme. During the locals Labour was seen as either capitulating locally to tory cuts, or an abstract vague memory of some bygone age. And the party was openly split which obv makes a huge difference.
None of this means the radicalisation didn't exist, it just hadn't found a way to manifest itself politically.

May did very well in terms of share of the vote - they could be close to saturation point of potential voters. Labour can win further support from the dis-enfranchised and capitalise on a growing discourse around public sector pay, housing, and austerity in general.

I think this is an optimistic view. I'd say Corbyn is closer to saturation point than the Tories (May is irrelevant as she won't be leading the next one). I think there's a cap on how many of the population will go that far left, and I think there will be some Corbyn voters who wanted to stick it to May (for calling the election and running a **** campaign) but might not stick around to elect him.

Depends when the election is of course, if it is soon he can't dodge Brexit forever, was a massive error from the Tories letting him do it this time.

Been reading a little about referendums in the UK and it seems all are just advisory and can be ignored by parliament if they choose to do so.

Also read about how Maggie was set against referendums because they are 'a device of dictators and demagogues' lol.

Whole place facing a **** storm because tory party politics.

Hopefully they are never forgiven for the coming mess.

I'm no financial expert, but this seems pretty bad..



(ONS: % of household income available to save)

Does anyone know the secured versus unsecured debt ratios?

I would guess a good chunk of this household debt it bound up in housing which has seen a bit of a bubble.
It will be worrying if unsured debt has risen a lot. When interest rates climb which they look like they will. Lots of people will really struggle if this is the case.

The economy has been quite fragile for a few years and seems like Brexit is potentially uncovering that fragility.

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Just found some detail seems unsecure debt is what a driving this up 10% over the last few years. If that's correct it is indeed quite worrying.

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Graphs of real terms wages show a similar trend which is the root cause of increased household borrowing ofc.

Claiming France's SP were neo-liberal centrists when they ran well to the left of 2017 Labour is something.

It's true enough that calling the PS neo liberals en masse is wrong. However the moves that Hollande et al made which made the party slightly toxic in the last election to big parts of its own voters were exactly the neo liberal ones - the loi travail for the most part. Tomj's wider point, that Macron is unlike Blair in that he isn't dragging all the parties of the left with him, is certainly correct.

After 5 years in power maybe they weren't believed.

Liar liar.

No help cos they all have no money and are the wrong colour.

Sad as ****.