It is virtually without precedent for anything to happen in the UK which corporations do not want. The only real exception was when Trade Unions were strong enough to counter corporate sentiment.

The corporate world does not want Brexit. So my guess is that there will be no de facto Brexit. There will probably be some window dressing to that effect that amounts to nothing in practice.

Hardcore Blairite argues for a vote for lib dems ahead of a left led labour, not surprising really. Don't even know where to begin in addressing this desperate propaganda piece. Just clickbait I guess. Worked for me.

There's another major incident

@London bridge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014

Bbc just read out a tweet from met police....barricade yourself in, turn phones to vibrate, vauxhall London bridge borough market.

Frightening.

And now bbc just reported at least 1 dead on London bridge.

https://mobile.twitter.com/metpolice...35916047388672

Met tweet

That is scary.

Guess comments made about terrorists being mostly incompetent in their attacks are in the past.

If terrorists are pulling off 3 coordinated attacks when the surveillance state is this large and pervasive, then they're completely unstoppable. You'd think at some point they would trip something.

I swear to god, the amount of ****ing idiots making fake "missing friends" tweets just for attention / followers is bothering me way more than it ought to. This is terrifying, and I can't imagine how it must feel to actually be affected by something like this. I just don't understand what's happening to the world at all, and I can't get my head around anyone not taking it seriously.

its hardly oceans 11. its a few blokes driving a van into people and attacking random civilians at roughly the same time, how much planning does that take

'11pm'
'k'

lol completely unstoppable

Come on.

It's horrific but so are all traffic accidents, which probably killed more people today than these "terrorists" managed.

How do you stop people driving a car into a crowd? I think that was the point.

I'm a bit surprised London Bridge wasn't better protected. Makes you wonder what all these colour coded alerts are for if there is no security presence in a landmark that prominent.

Not that it isn't tragic, but one of them was stopped by some people in a pub who had in their arsenal of weapons only chairs and pint glasses.

Six people died in the attacks. Twenty injured. Not that those deaths aren't tragic and each one very upsetting, but this is about as incompetent as you can get and still get airtime.

This isn't terrorism, it's just sad dicks being dicks in the name of their stupid though lethal religious cause.

I wish they'd stop reporting it as terrorism and start reporting it as murderous rampages by socially awkward, mentally feeble men with tiny penises.

What we're talking about is now, not what "might" happen in 2020. I mean, it was put back 4 years from 2016, does anyone think this cap would realistically have come in?

As it stands now, if you have cash in the bank and income (including benefits) you have to pay for care at home, regardless of the value of your home or whether you own it, so that's a straw man argument anyway that is the very definition of nit picking as if the value of your home is excluded, it has nothing to do with ability to pay.

See other thread. If people saw it like that, then the media won't report it at all. Then ISIS wouldn't get a hundred million dollar payout in free advertising.

Interesting response from May - she's taking her position to the right and hitching herself to the "something must be done" bandwagon.

Could be effective - though the flaws are that she's been in power so why hasn't she done it already? and also her image as an effective leader is pretty compromised.

Yes, waving your arms around crying "Something must be done" is the traditional tactic of the opposition, not the PM who was also Home Secretary for six years.

I hope Labour smash this point home.

May is a very poor leader and has next to no ideas at all.

Decent 538 piece of thepolls

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-polls-skewed/

The suspension in campaigning didn't last long
Corbyn needs to follow suit and go big on police resources.

Her idea of doing something:

- Make a grand speech in front of Downing Street, full of the usual political soundbites such as "we will not be divided", "something something British spirit", "the terrorists will not win".

- Put on a big show of force with the army on the streets for a couple of days

- Increase security only for her and her elite cronies, not the general public

- Suspend election campaigning for 1 day. Then continue campaigning and pretend nothing happened

To be fair Cameron started this trend. It was very common to see him complaining about things in the "If only someone would do something!" mould. Can't imagine who that person would be Dave.

Good read. Txs.

I'm trembling with anticipation for election night. It could fizzle out quickly with the exit polls showing a big tory majority but if not it's going to one hell of a night.

My original point was that this was a clear grab for people's assets - and it is.
You argued against that and can change the subject and ramble on all you like.
It won't change what they were trying to do which was to count the home as an asset they could plunder for care at home and not have a cap.




That's what you wrote. You extolled the virtues of the new system which exists only in a manifesto of lies and has already been U-Turned on but then refer to the existing system saying "does anyone think this cap would realistically have come in?".
You can't have it both ways.

I won't be commenting on this issue any further.

I'm not really a fan of 538/Silver. They a lot of credit for being smarter than election pundits: they are but that is damning with faint praise. They really screwed up in 2015.

That said there just might be something to this article. I recall a story about two game theorists going to a conference in a taxi and discussing the optimal amount they should tip. The taxi driver got fed up with the both of them and threw them out on the street before reaching the conference.

This may be what is happening with electorates. They may just be sick of being told what to think.

Aww thought experiments to try and will the future. That's sweet.