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06-01-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
This is mainly just waffle to be honest.
I am not sure why you are having difficulty understanding the concept that you have to speculate to accumulate.

A business needs starting capital. You have to borrow to make money. As it is with government.
06-01-2017 , 03:12 PM
Well, that was a pretty awful interview from little Timmy. Dodged almost every question asked and then tried to talk over Andrew Neil to avoid having to answer the questions.

I know he's not the only one but it was good to see a politician pulled up for failing to answer the question posed and instead rattling on about something else which fits his agenda.

I think the first question was 'how are we leaving the EU if we stay in the single market' - still waiting for little Timmy to answer.

And he doesn't want HIS kids to be smoking that dirty/dangerous weed, oh no he just wants to legalise it so YOUR kids can get high and lose their minds. Ridiculous.
06-01-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JDarkman
The young are coming out to vote this time. The youth of this country are getting shafted in the housing market, shafted at work and are pissed off that they have no time in the week left over to party. This Tory government has been hitting them hard and there is a palpable awareness of that fact.

More than willing to come and eat some humble pie if I'm wrong but I think this is a Trump-Clinton scenario with TM as Clinton- deeply unpopular, seen as part of the establishment, seemingly lacking in basic empathy, 'unassailable' lead in the polls... and JC as Trump- not a 'typical politician', 'tells it like it is', swelling support among a pissed off working class...

Also going to go out on a limb and predict the 'shy tory' factor to be reversed this time with normally right-leaning voters saying f**k it and rolling the dice on election day.

Evidence purely anecdotal but I meet lots of new people every day in my job, work closely with multiple health bodies and meet often with working class families and the anger towards the Tories and TM is very real let me tell you. Talk of an 80 Tory majority laughable IMO.
You make valid points, but I just can't get over the fact that, historically, young people just don't turn out to vote. And Labour, as a left wing party, rely on such votes.

The difference with Clinton is she also had to rely on young votes. Theresa May doesn't. She has the luxury of relying on older voters, who always turn out.

Perhaps Corbyn can get older Conservative/UKIP voters to vote for him? That would be a far more reliable way to victory/hung Parliament.
06-01-2017 , 03:30 PM
06-01-2017 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Different leader, different tune.
06-01-2017 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JDarkman
The young are coming out to vote this time. The youth of this country are getting shafted in the housing market, shafted at work and are pissed off that they have no time in the week left over to party. This Tory government has been hitting them hard and there is a palpable awareness of that fact.

More than willing to come and eat some humble pie if I'm wrong but I think this is a Trump-Clinton scenario with TM as Clinton- deeply unpopular, seen as part of the establishment, seemingly lacking in basic empathy, 'unassailable' lead in the polls... and JC as Trump- not a 'typical politician', 'tells it like it is', swelling support among a pissed off working class...

Also going to go out on a limb and predict the 'shy tory' factor to be reversed this time with normally right-leaning voters saying f**k it and rolling the dice on election day.

Evidence purely anecdotal but I meet lots of new people every day in my job, work closely with multiple health bodies and meet often with working class families and the anger towards the Tories and TM is very real let me tell you. Talk of an 80 Tory majority laughable IMO.
Word on the street my end is the same. More affluent Tory voting areas with Labour sticks on the lawn and posters everywhere. Still going to depend on the core turnout though, areas which are slim tory majority with like 40% turnouts need Labour pessimists to turn up. Momentum campaign is really interesting, patchy obv, but pretty impressive machine overall with coordination to mobilise the vote on the day. Definitely the most interesting election in my lifetime and one of the few I have bothered to do a tap for.
06-01-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Word on the street my end is the same. More affluent Tory voting areas with Labour sticks on the lawn and posters everywhere. Still going to depend on the core turnout though, areas which are slim tory majority with like 40% turnouts need Labour pessimists to turn up. Momentum campaign is really interesting, patchy obv, but pretty impressive machine overall with coordination to mobilise the vote on the day. Definitely the most interesting election in my lifetime and one of the few I have bothered to do a tap for.
Good post. I'm pretty optimistic in regards to labour turn-out. Come from a very large family of labour voters, all of whom 'moderates' (except me) very skeptical about JC from the start- all have come round and all intend to vote JC on the 8th, as much to do with their horror at May as their liking of JC.

Also in regards to El Razor's Corbyn/Milliband popularity comparison- I don't think it holds any water. Maybe in the leafy suburbs things are all hunky dory but remember that the leafy suburbs of this country are on the decline! Get yourself to Blackburn or Preston man (take a prozac before hand tho) and get talking to people. This is a veeeerrrrrrrrrrrryyy pissed off electorate.
06-01-2017 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JDarkman
The young are coming out to vote this time. The youth of this country are getting shafted in the housing market, shafted at work and are pissed off that they have no time in the week left over to party. This Tory government has been hitting them hard and there is a palpable awareness of that fact.
I'm happy to see more young people get involved with politics but they should remember what happened to the promise of the last party which pledged free tuition and hopefully make their vote on a wider range of issues.

Re: housing market, i believe the recent stamp duty and interest payment changes to BTL owners have helped prices come down and i hope they continue to do so.

At work, well the personal income allowance is now £11,500 and far more than the paltry £6,475 allowed by Labour before paying tax back in 2010. The minimum wage and living wage have both increased too. The real issue is housing and the vast amount of take home pay which people are having to spend on it.

Re: party time, come on you're young, you can party every night and still be able to work the next day

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More than willing to come and eat some humble pie if I'm wrong but I think this is a Trump-Clinton scenario with TM as Clinton- deeply unpopular, seen as part of the establishment, seemingly lacking in basic empathy, 'unassailable' lead in the polls... and JC as Trump- not a 'typical politician', 'tells it like it is', swelling support among a pissed off working class...
Trump ran and appealed on a campaign of not being a politician. Jezza has been a career politician for over 30 years so he's already part of the establishment whether he likes it or not. As for telling it like it is I would remind you of his inability to find a seat on a half empty train and his recent statement of never having met the IRA. His support, at least as seen on telly, is busloads of momentum members being driven round the country to turn out for him. It's not like Trump where huge crowds of locals in the old rust belts came out to support him.

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Also going to go out on a limb and predict the 'shy tory' factor to be reversed this time with normally right-leaning voters saying f**k it and rolling the dice on election day.
I don't think you're right here but sure it is a possibility and we'll see. I think the Tories will pick up additional voters from the centre group as the right is a lot closer to them than the leap to the far left.

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Evidence purely anecdotal but I meet lots of new people every day in my job, work closely with multiple health bodies and meet often with working class families and the anger towards the Tories and TM is very real let me tell you. Talk of an 80 Tory majority laughable IMO.
I'm not a huge fan of the current Tory leadership myself but with the other options available there is only one party i can pick.

Anyway, please use your vote and get involved. It's a waste not to.
06-01-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JDarkman
Good post. I'm pretty optimistic in regards to labour turn-out. Come from a very large family of labour voters, all of whom 'moderates' (except me) very skeptical about JC from the start- all have come round and all intend to vote JC on the 8th, as much to do with their horror at May as their liking of JC.
I hope you're right. I've done my bit for the cause by betting a decent amount on >400 seats for the Tories. Every £1 of my money is equivalent to 1lb extra weight in the saddle of any horse I back.
06-01-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
I am not sure why you are having difficulty understanding the concept that you have to speculate to accumulate.

A business needs starting capital. You have to borrow to make money. As it is with government.
The country isn't a startup and it doesn't have to borrow to make money. You have some ridiculous ideas but your failure grasp a concept as simple as deficit, and it's importance, is taking it to a whole new level. No point discussing it any further as it's clear you're in a group of 1 when it comes to this.
06-01-2017 , 04:42 PM
word on the street, mums edition:

me mum - voted labour every time since ever - is voting lib dems cos antisemitism

me mates mum, shes usually a tory voter, is voting labour because of their policies on education and because, quote, theresa may has a hunched back

this information is 100% verified
06-01-2017 , 04:43 PM
Some voters are scary.
06-01-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
I'm happy to see more young people get involved with politics but they should remember what happened to the promise of the last party which pledged free tuition and hopefully make their vote on a wider range of issues.

Re: housing market, i believe the recent stamp duty and interest payment changes to BTL owners have helped prices come down and i hope they continue to do so.

At work, well the personal income allowance is now £11,500 and far more than the paltry £6,475 allowed by Labour before paying tax back in 2010. The minimum wage and living wage have both increased too. The real issue is housing and the vast amount of take home pay which people are having to spend on it.

Re: party time, come on you're young, you can party every night and still be able to work the next day



Trump ran and appealed on a campaign of not being a politician. Jezza has been a career politician for over 30 years so he's already part of the establishment whether he likes it or not. As for telling it like it is I would remind you of his inability to find a seat on a half empty train and his recent statement of never having met the IRA. His support, at least as seen on telly, is busloads of momentum members being driven round the country to turn out for him. It's not like Trump where huge crowds of locals in the old rust belts came out to support him.



I don't think you're right here but sure it is a possibility and we'll see. I think the Tories will pick up additional voters from the centre group as the right is a lot closer to them than the leap to the far left.



I'm not a huge fan of the current Tory leadership myself but with the other options available there is only one party i can pick.

Anyway, please use your vote and get involved. It's a waste not to.
Fair post.

In regards to party time for the young, I'm not sure I agree anymore. Millennials get a bad rap for dossing around and having feckless beards and buying expensive coffee and maybe that's what goes on in London but in the Northern towns it's a different story. Practically all the young people I know (and it's a lot) are too busy trying to raise a child or two with minimal assistance or busy working 50-60 hour weeks at soul-sapping jobs where you are completely exploited and worked 'til your fingers bleed- see sports direct factory and amazon warehouse working conditions (in this country) for proof. These people are very angry!
06-01-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
word on the street, mums edition:

me mum - voted labour every time since ever - is voting lib dems cos antisemitism

me mates mum, shes usually a tory voter, is voting labour because of their policies on education and because, quote, theresa may has a hunched back

this information is 100% verified
LOL u come from the north of england.

OK JD's mums edition:
Mum: voted labour forever, hated corbyn at first but now likes him, 100% labour
Best mates mum: long time low information tory voter and professional busybody, loves JC, likes that he is a 'pacifist' and won't start any more wars.

Dad's edition:
Dad: Voted labour forever, said a few months ago he would rather vote Cameron than JC, now loves JC and is impressed with his principles and staying power. 100& labour
Mate's dad: Switches between UKIP and Tories (once voted BNP but didn't admit it), still hates Corbyn(IRA) but will vote lib dems because he's gone off May.
06-01-2017 , 05:09 PM
select colleagues at work edition:

overweight ginger lady 55 years old: always voted tory but considering jezza based on tories neglect of education (she's an ex-teacher)- possible labour gain but significant potential for shy tory.

overweight blonde lady 35 years old: voting labour because she heard they were raising the minimum wage to 10 pounds. previous voting record unspecified but suspect she's never voted before.

chubby bald man approx 35 years old: voting UKIP bcoz the muslims. Probably voted BNP/Tory in the past.

reformed overweight redhead approx 40yo now with nice figure (boss) voting corbyn because she works every hour god sends(so does partner) and the bank still won't let her and partner get a mortgage.
06-01-2017 , 05:13 PM
Didn't you mean angry fat bald man who can't get laid, 35, walking cliche, votes far right?
06-01-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
The country isn't a startup and it doesn't have to borrow to make money. You have some ridiculous ideas
You have no comeback because you have a clear lack of formal education and practical intelligence. You really should be grateful someone humours you.
06-01-2017 , 05:44 PM
06-01-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
You have no comeback because you have a clear lack of formal education and practical intelligence. You really should be grateful someone humours you.
Well if lack of intelligence is important to you how do you feel about Jezza only having 2 Highers, and both Es, to his name? Does that sound like someone qualified to run the country?

He wouldn't be able to get a job outside of politics, probably why that's all he has ever done.
06-01-2017 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
Well if lack of intelligence is important to you how do you feel about Jezza only having 2 Highers, and both Es, to his name? Does that sound like someone qualified to run the country?

He wouldn't be able to get a job outside of politics, probably why that's all he has ever done.
He managed to acquire some practical intelligence.
06-01-2017 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
He managed to acquire some practical intelligence.
Lol, through what? He's only ever been in politics, what does he have practical experience of? Divorces and affairs, he is experienced in those I guess. And he has a lot of knowledge of terrorist organisations from his 'friends'.

And to be clear, you have no problem with people who have shown an inability to learn and educate themselves running the UK?

I dread to think what kind of non-governmental job is currently advertising for applicants with 2 Es or better qualifications.
06-01-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by richdog
Lol, through what? He's only ever been in politics, what does he have practical experience of? Divorces and affairs, he is experienced in those I guess. And he has a lot of knowledge of terrorist organisations from his 'friends'.

And to be clear, you have no problem with people who have shown an inability to learn and educate themselves running the UK?

I dread to think what kind of non-governmental job is currently advertising for applicants with 2 Es or better qualifications.
You salty tears of rage are delicous.
06-01-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
You make valid points, but I just can't get over the fact that, historically, young people just don't turn out to vote. And Labour, as a left wing party, rely on such votes.

The difference with Clinton is she also had to rely on young votes. Theresa May doesn't. She has the luxury of relying on older voters, who always turn out.

Perhaps Corbyn can get older Conservative/UKIP voters to vote for him? That would be a far more reliable way to victory/hung Parliament.
Have you seen any of the Momentum crowd MT? They are the hardcore Corbyn supporters. They all seem to be pretty young. Their membership base is unusually large and I'm guessing they can connect with a younger base than any traditional labour canvassing effort.

I'm not certain this will make the difference but I can't rule it out.We are in unknown territory with the youth vote.
06-02-2017 , 05:30 AM
Here's my scientific poll:

Me: Tory
Mum: Tory, doesn't like Corbyn; like the fact that if she goes into care, I will be guaranteed £100k rather than £23500.
G/f: EE Immigrant. Can't vote but would probably vote Lib Dem. When I explained Labours policies she said they sound a lot like communists. Ul guys.
Mate (farmer): Tory because lol labour.

Result: Tory landslide.

Note: When it comes to work colleagues, I just tell them I'm voting whatever way they are as it's the best way to shut them up.
06-02-2017 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Here's my scientific poll:

Me: Tory
Mum: Tory, doesn't like Corbyn; like the fact that if she goes into care, I will be guaranteed £100k rather than £23500.
G/f: EE Immigrant. Can't vote but would probably vote Lib Dem. When I explained Labours policies she said they sound a lot like communists. Ul guys.
Mate (farmer): Tory because lol labour.

Result: Tory landslide.

Note: When it comes to work colleagues, I just tell them I'm voting whatever way they are as it's the best way to shut them up.
There's a thinly veiled brag in here somewhere.

      
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