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05-29-2017 , 05:12 PM
My take (as if any one cares):

Corbyn-good on q&a, much better than I expected. Got a bit pissed off with Paxman which is understandable but that looks bad.

May-fine with q&a. Probably edged by Corbyn but that might just be my bias. She was a rabbit in the headlights for much of the interview but badly let off the hook at the end by Paxman allowing her to repeat that she would walk away from a deal ad infinitum, something most people support.

My guess would be that the polls will show a small uptick for LaBour simply because Corbyn appeared in person rather than newspaper caricature.

Verdict: Paxman should be put down.
05-29-2017 , 05:21 PM
Never seen it but if my twitter feed is anything to go by then it's Paxman who had a shocker. All seems to be about how terrible he was.
05-29-2017 , 05:26 PM
Sounds like both interviews were lame. He had em both on pretty big hooks - labour's magic money tree, and how Mrs Strong and Stable constantly looks weak and shaky - sounds like he didn't use either of these.
05-29-2017 , 05:41 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7762051.html

Fair summary imo

don't think it will shift polls either way.
05-29-2017 , 05:43 PM
UK government does actually have a money tree, there can be consequences for mis using it, but the tree is real.
05-29-2017 , 05:45 PM
i remember asking me dad when i was about 8 why they dont just give everyone ten grand tomorrow, and to this date i have not heard a satisfactory answer
05-29-2017 , 05:48 PM
You can use the money tree for banks, that is fine. Not for people though, thats bad.

This is what people a thousand years from now will be looking back and laughing at us about.
05-29-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
i remember asking me dad when i was about 8 why they dont just give everyone ten grand tomorrow, and to this date i have not heard a satisfactory answer

Giving free money to everybody is a standard move from the South American populist playbook.

You brits are too uptight for that though , you are to going elect Theresa May ffs.
05-30-2017 , 01:47 AM
Helicopter drops were being seriously considered recently.

8 year old OAFK for Chancellor.
05-30-2017 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by valenzuela
Has there ever been a profound ideological difference within the same party during that time span ?

I don't see the left just giving back the Labour Party without a fight. (Do they have another politician who could take Corbyn role without the IRA baggage? )

Suppose Labour takes 248 seats. How could the mainstream Labour Party make a move to take control of the party? They already lost the last internal election by 20 points, would that suddenly change ? An Yvette Cooper would have a hard time telling the Labour base that Corbyn is unelectable when he did better than the Tory lite bloke.
This is obv just my view, I'm not actually involved in this but watching from afar out of interest. Imo this period is unprecedented which makes it hard to predict. Labour is historically a broad church of course but they've never had a leader as left as Corbyn on foreign policy amongst other things, which creates big problems for the bureaucracy (trade unions and CLP), coupled with the absence of a significant organised left outside labour we see both established and new activists flocking to Labour. Meanwhile the Labour right is defined by a lack of direction, mixed messages and general lack of political identity, hence the reappearance of Blair I guess. The background to this is the decline of european social democracy (for which Blair and Schroder in germany were outliers) due to capitulation to neo-liberalism.
The terrain is polarised with the Tories occupying a big space from UKIP to lib dem territory. As the Tory brand becomes more 'nasty' I suspect there will be a greater support for the liberals and possibly a new alliance ostensibly based on getting back into into EU. It is here where I believe a chunk of Labour MPs and wannabe MPs along with the main corporate backers will seek to form a liberal alliance. Most will stay with Labour since they are primarily opportunist by nature. So my answer is that the left will maintain control of the machinery.
05-30-2017 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
8 year old OAFK for Chancellor.
no its me that's the chancellor. 8 year old oafk for buyern goalie
05-30-2017 , 06:53 AM
Listened to this live. Was pretty painful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520
05-30-2017 , 07:39 AM
Labour close gap on Tories to six points, new poll shows

I'll be so happy if the tories lose their majority. Arrogant arseholes. Who would go into coalition with them after seeing how the lib dems got screwed?
05-30-2017 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Listened to this live. Was pretty painful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520
What's wrong with needing to look it up? Why is memorising huge sets of figures important?
05-30-2017 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Listened to this live. Was pretty painful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520
He forgot one of hundreds of figures he is expected to produce at a moment's notice under pressure. Big deal.

Politics would really be better without idiots going on about "gaffes" and so on. It means nothing to any one but the media and people with no intelligence, politics isn't a football match.
05-30-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
What's wrong with needing to look it up? Why is memorising huge sets of figures important?
Because Elrazor doesn't like Corbyn and will seize on any opportunity to make him look bad.
05-30-2017 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
What's wrong with needing to look it up? Why is memorising huge sets of figures important?
Because he went into the studio to discuss free childcare - an agenda he set.

First Question: How much will it cost?

Corbyn: .......

Anyway, it's the lead story on World at One, so clearly it's either a big story or a slow news day*

Last edited by Elrazor; 05-30-2017 at 08:22 AM. Reason: *or the BBC are biased against Corbyn, lol.
05-30-2017 , 08:36 AM
Not sure why lol for BBC bias against Corbyn?
It's blatant.

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The childcare part of the interview began with Mr Corbyn being asked whether he had the figure for its cost and replying: "Yes I do."
Pressed to give the number, he said: "I'll give you the figure in a moment."
"You don't know it? You're logging into your iPad here - you've announced a major policy and you don't know how much it will cost?" presenter Emma Barnett said.
"Can I give you the exact figure in a moment please?" the Labour leader said.
Asked whether this indicated that voters should not trust Labour with their money, he answered: "Not at all."
He argued that investing in children in early years meant they did better in school and added: "I want to give you an accurate figure."
Eventually, Ms Barnett quoted shadow education secretary Angela Rayner, who was on BBC Radio 4's Today programme earlier: "£2.7bn, then £4.8bn... with half a billion to reverse cuts to the Sure Start scheme. Does that sound about right?"
"It does sound correct," Mr Corbyn said.
Then Norman Smith's clearly unbiased analysis

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This was on a par, or possibly even worse, than Diane Abbott getting into a pickle on the cost of Labour's policing pledges.
That's not just because Jeremy Corbyn is the party leader, but also because childcare is an absolutely key pledge, he's campaigning on it today - and he was clearly struggling badly for the numbers.
When you get the leader struggling to say how much a core Labour policy is going to cost it sparks questions about how clear, how thorough, how credible its spending plans are
Absolute nonsense.
Theresa May never answers a single question and gets a pass on it.
05-30-2017 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
Because he went into the studio to discuss free childcare - an agenda he set.

First Question: How much will it cost?

Corbyn: .......

Anyway, it's the lead story on World at One, so clearly it's either a big story or a slow news day*
Essentially, he had to look at his notes. This is something everyone who has ever done an interview has done.

Total non-story only of interest to the reflexively partisan.
05-30-2017 , 08:49 AM
The interviewer works for the telegraph too!

Two weeks ago the Chancellor got the cost of HS2 wrong by £20bn on the Today Programme & BBC News Online didn't think it of interest.

No bias though
05-30-2017 , 09:26 AM
i didnt listen to his answer, but he should just be able to say yo i dont have the exact figure to hand but its in our fully costed manifesto or w/e without any journo giving him a hard time. non story
05-30-2017 , 03:19 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartandhp

Even Dimbleby accepts it.
05-30-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Coming to something when the high priest of the establishment and former Bullingdon club member is the voice of reason.
05-30-2017 , 05:35 PM
YouGov has made a prediction for the UK General Election.

I'll summarise:
Tories: 310
Labour: 257
SNP: 50
Lib Dem: 10

It's behind a Times Newspaper paywall but image on twitter.

Literally very close to a Labour government. Remember that the Tories have no friends apart from the DUP and maybe the Lib Dems.

In this scenario I would be interested to see which way the Lib Dems would go because I don't necessarily think it would be to back Labour.
05-30-2017 , 05:41 PM
Betfair have a No Majority @ 7/1 right now. Ridiculous value if that analysis is in any way accurate

      
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