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04-26-2017 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
This must be the study I was thinking of.

This is gold ty.

I pretty much agree with you on all of this, not much to add.
04-27-2017 , 12:08 PM
This election is going to be pure and utter brutality.
04-27-2017 , 12:40 PM
The best thing of the night would be Corbyn losing his seat.
04-27-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
The best thing of the night would be Corbyn losing his deposit.
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04-27-2017 , 03:19 PM
"The Conservative lead over Labour has shrunk by seven points, a new poll has indicated.
The YouGov poll, conducted for The Times, showed support for the Tories at 45 per cent, down three percentage points from last week.
Labour increased its support by four points to 29 per cent, while the Liberal Democrats were down two points to 10 per cent and Ukip rose two points to seven per cent."

Then says, "The Ipsos Mori poll found 61 per cent of voters saw Ms May as the "most capable" of the leaders of the main political parties, while labour's Jeremy Corbyn was rated at 23 per cent." (The Indy)

Except This morning poll 2 weeks ago suggested 61% for JC, 24% for TM on a sample of 40k responses.

Why people listening to polls so much without question. Eg. sample size, when and how asked, demography. Weird this even needs to be said to maths bods.

And, we are seeing record numbers of 18-24 year olds registering to vote. Long way till June 8th.
04-27-2017 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
The best thing of the night would be Corbyn losing his seat.
Alex Burghart The Conservative Party 8,456
Greg Clough* UK Independence Party (UKIP) 1,971
Jeremy Corbyn Labour Party 29,659
Julian Gregory Liberal Democrats 3,984
Bill Martin The Socialist Party of Great Britain 112
Caroline Russell*Green Party*5,043

Islington elite says otherwise. Funny how he suddenly became unpopular when the Murdoch press decided to say so.

Last edited by tomj; 04-27-2017 at 03:26 PM. Reason: still very popular
04-27-2017 , 03:44 PM
Near anyone could carry a big Lab majority in that seat.
04-27-2017 , 04:28 PM
Yes but it was just a light hearted put-down of the 2 sneering Tories above you.
04-27-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
"The Conservative lead over Labour has shrunk by seven points, a new poll has indicated.
The YouGov poll, conducted for The Times, showed support for the Tories at 45 per cent, down three percentage points from last week.
Labour increased its support by four points to 29 per cent, while the Liberal Democrats were down two points to 10 per cent and Ukip rose two points to seven per cent."

Then says, "The Ipsos Mori poll found 61 per cent of voters saw Ms May as the "most capable" of the leaders of the main political parties, while labour's Jeremy Corbyn was rated at 23 per cent." (The Indy)

Except This morning poll 2 weeks ago suggested 61% for JC, 24% for TM on a sample of 40k responses.

Why people listening to polls so much without question. Eg. sample size, when and how asked, demography. Weird this even needs to be said to maths bods.

And, we are seeing record numbers of 18-24 year olds registering to vote. Long way till June 8th.
You got a link to the This Morning poll? Would love to look at the methodology as it's a huge outlier.
04-27-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
The best thing of the night would be Corbyn losing his seat.
May ending up without a majority would be a thing of unparalleled political joy.

I might die laughing.
04-27-2017 , 05:31 PM
Don't do that, wil might return.
04-27-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Yes but it was just a light hearted put-down of the 2 sneering Tories above you.
I like to think I'm more sneering anti-Corbyn
04-27-2017 , 05:56 PM
By basic regression to the mean one would expect the Labour party to improve their polling. I wouldnt be at all surprised if the tories only won by 10 percentage points or something.
04-27-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
You got a link to the This Morning poll? Would love to look at the methodology as it's a huge outlier.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...ck-for-victory
04-27-2017 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomj
"The Conservative lead over Labour has shrunk by seven points, a new poll has indicated.
The YouGov poll, conducted for The Times, showed support for the Tories at 45 per cent, down three percentage points from last week.
Labour increased its support by four points to 29 per cent, while the Liberal Democrats were down two points to 10 per cent and Ukip rose two points to seven per cent."

Then says, "The Ipsos Mori poll found 61 per cent of voters saw Ms May as the "most capable" of the leaders of the main political parties, while labour's Jeremy Corbyn was rated at 23 per cent." (The Indy)

Except This morning poll 2 weeks ago suggested 61% for JC, 24% for TM on a sample of 40k responses.

Why people listening to polls so much without question. Eg. sample size, when and how asked, demography. Weird this even needs to be said to maths bods.

And, we are seeing record numbers of 18-24 year olds registering to vote. Long way till June 8th.
Do you really think that the polling data holds any comfort for Labour? you've picked one poll that shows a change on the previous week that's likely to be a random fluctuation. The weighted averages of polls show the Tory lead increasing as the UKIP vote falls.

It's one thing to want a Labour government - I would rather have one than the Tories - even though I'm no fan of Corbyn, but to actually think it's going to happen seems just massively wishful
04-27-2017 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
Do you really think that the polling data holds any comfort for Labour? you've picked one poll that shows a change on the previous week that's likely to be a random fluctuation. The weighted averages of polls show the Tory lead increasing as the UKIP vote falls.
He knows this very well. He is having fun with some of the right-wingers who regularly do the same thing.
04-27-2017 , 07:08 PM
Indeed. To expect an actual living, breathing socialist, not some charlatan opportunist, as the prime minister of the oldest, filthiest, colonial state in the world is of course an entirely ludicrous thought. So was the thought of him being Labour leader.
04-27-2017 , 07:08 PM
good point being made by a lefty on Andrew neil - the Leicester City principle.
04-28-2017 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Indeed. To expect an actual living, breathing socialist, not some charlatan opportunist, as the prime minister of the oldest, filthiest, colonial state in the world is of course an entirely ludicrous thought. So was the thought of him being Labour leader.
I'm just asking because I'm trying to get my head into what the Corbyn supporters are thinking - the impending electoral disaster was pretty clear both of the times he was elected leader. It's even clearer now. Do Corbyn supporters really not see this?

Would you rather take the tiny possibility that there will be some miraculous sea change in opinion over the next few weeks because he is so wonderful?

or do you just not care as long as the "Blairites" are defeated that is the main thing?

Genuine question. As a poker player you must have some idea of odds.

Leicester City was extraordinary - but was a total outlier - all the other 5000-1 shots (and there have been a lot more than 5000) didn't win
04-28-2017 , 03:41 AM
Dont bother trying constructive reasoning with the Corbyn fanatics.

You will just be told you are a splitter.
04-28-2017 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
As I suspected. We can totally disregard it.
04-28-2017 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
I'm just asking because I'm trying to get my head into what the Corbyn supporters are thinking - the impending electoral disaster was pretty clear both of the times he was elected leader. It's even clearer now. Do Corbyn supporters really not see this?

Would you rather take the tiny possibility that there will be some miraculous sea change in opinion over the next few weeks because he is so wonderful?

or do you just not care as long as the "Blairites" are defeated that is the main thing?

Genuine question. As a poker player you must have some idea of odds.

Leicester City was extraordinary - but was a total outlier - all the other 5000-1 shots (and there have been a lot more than 5000) didn't win
Labour was dying before this, the Scotland wipeout and back to back general election defeats so let's stop pretending.
04-28-2017 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
As I suspected. We can totally disregard polls and just wait for the bloody result instead
Fyp
04-28-2017 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
I'm just asking because I'm trying to get my head into what the Corbyn supporters are thinking
You can question our judgement when you explain why voting for the guy who ****ed a dead pig was a good idea.
04-28-2017 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
The best thing of the night would be Corbyn losing his seat.
You should at least get to enjoy the Corbyn resignation on the 9th.

Best thing of the night if it happened would be this

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...e-seat-tories/

      
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