You are confusing money for feelings. People know what they feel.

No way, people know what they feel, amazing.

What kind of answer is that?

People rationalise their feelings, they give them cause and effect.

If the cause they had attributed to creating feeling X has been removed or reduced yet feeling X has remained the same or probably increased in intensity, they will make new rationalisations.

That is an answer.

It's not about a spreadsheet it's about how people feel about their own situations. No amount of you virtue signalling is going to convince them that immigration is actually good for them. They know their own lives.

You need to take heed of the lessons of 2016. You need to watch this and learn the lessons. No other outcome is acceptable. Learn the lessons:

In Cornwall its already happening.

Its finally dawning on all the nose biters that voted Leave in Cornwall, that this will probably mean a massive drop in public funding that the county received from the EU in both massive structural development grants and agricultural subsidies.

The change in sentiment is palpable.

I think that the opposition approach on both sides of the Atlantic should be "They (GOP/Tories) lied to you, don't trust them again". Repeated time after time after time.

Lord JvK will continue condescending "literally forever".
In his mind he's right regardless of people constantly pointing out where he's wrong.
Just shuts it out and carries on regardless.
NPD?

Exactly the same up here.

This has a really good chance of working as long as they fail.

Again a total non answer.

Its nothing to do with telling people immigration is X or Y or virtual signalling.

Its people realising for themselves, and I give people the credit to be able to do this, that immigration is not really the massive drag on their life they think it is, and definitely concretely isnt in large parts of the UK when immigration numbers fall as they should after Brexit.

Your argument can be reduced to such:

Even if immigration dropped to zero,people would still feel about it, and no virtue signalling would change that.

Surely you can see what a nonsense that is?

The overarching lesson of the Blair era is that if you abandon all of your defining beliefs as a party to gain electoral success the opposition will become even more extreme, which is what we see now, and when the pendulum swings back the country is fubar.

At some point politicians have to develop persuasive arguments instead of just following the current trend, or the whole country will fall to far right extremists like you with your juvenile 'analysis' and deplorable Milo posts (who only you seem to think isn't just an attention-seeking troll).

I don't know who Paul Joseph Watson is but he has nothing new or interesting to say, and watching him makes me want to fill his face in.

Even UKIP argue their should be some immigration.

They must be virtue signaling.

Actually I know fully well Milo is an attention seeking troll, the left turned him into a rock star by being the new puritans. As long as things like this are true, the left is losing.

Also spreadsheet bullsheet.

If farmers, who as a cohort, voted for leave start getting smaller cheques as a result of Brexit, the speed at which their feels change will exceed the speed of light.

Doesn't matter when the situation changes, you change the policy.

Gotta be consistent in your advocacy Jv.

And Farage has a thing for foreign women.

The "Bad Bootle Meff" Nuttall can't lie straight in bed.

Phd on linkedin profile (didn't finish)
Tranmere Rovers professional footballer on press release
Was in Leppings Lane at Hillsborough tragedy
Fraudulently listed address in Stoke as his residence for by election
Privatisation of NHS

Give him enough rope

No, you do what you believe in and make other people come over to your side.

If you are going to indulge in snivelling defeatism you might as well pack up and go home. We had enough of the Blairites. Much good that did anybody.

Tom, do you have 2 accounts?

Lol it's possible for people to hold similar views without being the same person.

So you admit to being an inflexible ideologue and a zealot?

You must be 12 or something.

The Labour party did all this crap. It got into trouble in the 80's and 90's and sold out its principles under Blair. We had some years of a Labour government. which culminated in the war under Iraq after Blair had destroyed the party as a meaningful socialist force. We then lost several elections attempting to appeal to the centre ground.

The priority now is to take the party back to its core principles and rebuild its membership. Corbyn, despite media reports, has been incredibly successful at that, Labour has the largest membership of any political party in western Europe.

To imply that Labour should now copy the policies of UKIP, a party with one seat, which no longer has any reason to exist following Brexit, is farcical.

So in your book trying to explain a inherent truth to someone which would benefit them if they understood it would make you an ideologue and a zealot just because the person listening was intolerant of that particular truth?

UKIP also no longer has Farage.

Farage>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>infinity+1chevrons Nuttall.

Er, bad news pal. The Remain side in the referendum admitted that leaving the EU and increasing demand for labour would drive up prices, they just don't think that driving up the cost of labour is a good thing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...aign-says.html

And hey? Maybe they're right. Maybe its for the best that the cost of labour is kept cheap, businesses make more profits and those profits are passed onto the consumer in terms of cheaper products.

Problem is that's literally Thatcherite economics. And the only reason it's coming from the Labour Party is because the topic is vibrant, enriching foreigners #diversityisstrength