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01-07-2015 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Also that you imply legalising gay marriage shouldn't have happened is super offensive, **** like this is why I hate that tabloid ignorance is infecting British politics giving extremists like ukip here and the neo Nazis in Greece power. It was the easiest civil rights fix ever and should have happened years ago. Welcome to equality, fascists.

I did nothing of the kind!

I said that many people thought that Parliament spent too much time on items like this, time which should have been devoted to other things. Neither did I say I disagreed with the result.

I am glad to see posters so fired up about what they think are terrible...but do you not realise that equating UKIP with Neo-Nazis makes you appear extremist yourself? On the whole Brits prefer political discussion to relate to facts!

And if you wish to quote extremism perhaps I could remind you that a recent prime minister cheerfully supported, and indeed encouraged, an invasion of country which has resulted in the deaths of an estimated 200,000 innocent people.

To: Gin 'n Tonic; I entirely agree with your last sentence.
As for problems in the UK, well perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps there aren't any!

Just because th BBC news keeps focussing on the NHS it doesn't mean that there aren't other things Parliament should be looking at. I'm sure posters can think of other things Parliament should be worrying about.
01-07-2015 , 04:52 PM
It is very clear what you were implying with the context of words you used around it.

Comparing neo Nazis to ukip is valid given the way both have risen to occupy positions of power (to varying degrees). They are two heads of the same hydra.
01-07-2015 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MacaroonUK
And if you wish to quote extremism perhaps I could remind you that a recent prime minister cheerfully supported, and indeed encouraged, an invasion of country which has resulted in the deaths of an estimated 200,000 innocent people.
There does at least seem to be the faintest whiff of a chance that Blair gets prosecuted for war crimes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Iraq-War.html

99+% it won't happen, but we live in hope.
01-07-2015 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
There does at least seem to be the faintest whiff of a chance that Blair gets prosecuted for war crimes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-Iraq-War.html

99+% it won't happen, but we live in hope.
I don't think I've ever used my 'one-time' before. It's going to be wasted but still worthwhile.

On Blair, UKIP and lying. Hating UKIP is a good but we can't point at them and plausibly say the problem is they lie . Tony Blair was PM ffs, the damage he has done to the labour party and british politics is hard to calculate.

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Half of those questioned said they believed Blair deliberately set out to mislead the British public about the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Less than a third (31%) say he genuinely believed Saddam Hussein possessed a stockpile of WMD.

More than a fifth (22%) believe Blair knowingly misled parliament and the public and should be tried as a war criminal over the conflict, according to the poll. The figure compares with almost three in 10 (29%) who say he was right to warn of dangers of the Hussein regime, 18% who think he misled people but we should move on and 15% who believe he did not intend to give false information about the threat.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ion-wrong-poll
01-07-2015 , 07:35 PM
Blair soured me on labor for a generation. He didn't so much mislead parliament as work with most of parliament and the Murdoch media to mislead the public. Then he was replaced with the most incompetent leader in western politics in decades, at least the corrupt crook Blair wasn't a huge idiot, I guess. I'll give them a chance to win me over when the stink of new labour fully goes away.

Oh and no he wrong be charged with war crimes in any meaningful way. He is the special envoy of the quartet, at some point the UN, EU, US and Russia decided he was a good pick to help bring peace in the middle east between Israel and Palestine for reasons no normal person has ever understood.
01-08-2015 , 05:33 AM
Interesting film from Charlie Brooker's screen wipe:

01-09-2015 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
It is very clear what you were implying with the context of words you used around it.

Comparing neo Nazis to ukip is valid given the way both have risen to occupy positions of power (to varying degrees). They are two heads of the same hydra.
UKIP occupies a position of power?
01-10-2015 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MacaroonUK
UKIP occupies a position of power?
Seemingly, with the seats they've won recently, and the BBC's obsession with Farang, they do.

Oh aye, and don't forget, with fewer than half the members of the UK's 3rd biggest party, UKIP still manage to get invited on to the televised election debates ahead of the SNP.
01-10-2015 , 12:55 PM
They have multiple seats in parliament with several mep seats. They also poll at something like 20% for the general. How can it not be in a position of power?
01-11-2015 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DiegoArmando
Seemingly, with the seats they've won recently, and the BBC's obsession with Farang, they do.

Oh aye, and don't forget, with fewer than half the members of the UK's 3rd biggest party, UKIP still manage to get invited on to the televised election debates ahead of the SNP.
Yes, because a party that only fields candidates in <10% of UK constituencies is totally relevant in terms of the national election debate, totally.

Anyway, let's hope they get the electoral disembowelling their new-found irrelevance so richly deserves in the wake of the independence debacle.
01-11-2015 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
Yes, because a party that only fields candidates in <10% of UK constituencies is totally relevant in terms of the national election debate, totally.

Anyway, let's hope they get the electoral disembowelling their new-found irrelevance so richly deserves in the wake of the independence debacle.
errr its Labour who are going to get disembowelled in Scotland.

They are a pathetic bunch. In an effort to win the support of those that voted "Yes", new leader Jim Murphy pipes up "As Scotland is a pathetic country that can't stand on its own feet, our policy is to make it rely on handouts from London property taxes to fund vital public services"
01-11-2015 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
errr its Labour who are going to get disembowelled in Scotland.
That's good too.
01-11-2015 , 01:16 PM
It's shaping up to be a super weird election in May.

I wonder what the odds are on a government not forming and requiring a second election.
01-11-2015 , 04:51 PM
Most to least likely imo

Con/Lib coalition
Lab/Lib coalition
Con outright winners
Lab/green coalition
Con/Ukip coalition
Lab outright winners
Reelection
Lab/Ukip coalition (lol)
Ukip outright winners
Hell freezing over
Lib outright winners
01-11-2015 , 04:58 PM
Idk who to vote for tbh. The tories and Ukip are out of the question. Libdems have been at best a neutralising force. Labour are both spineless and very mundane. I like the greens but I live in a solid tory seat so there's no point.
01-11-2015 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
Idk who to vote for tbh. The tories and Ukip are out of the question. Libdems have been at best a neutralising force. Labour are both spineless and very mundane. I like the greens but I live in a solid tory seat so there's no point.
The Greens have shown their huge incompetence in Brighton. An absolute triumph of style over content. I mean, they're less vile than UKIP, but then who isn't?
01-11-2015 , 05:14 PM
It's sobering that British politics is essentially about who is less vile than whom.
01-11-2015 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I wonder what the odds are on a government not forming and requiring a second election.
A good bet would be the over/under on how long until the Queen has to invite a second MP to be Prime Minister.

btw there doesn't have to be a coalition agreement. A minority party can struggle on for ages dealing with different MPs on different issues to get legislation through. As long as they can win a vote of confidence on whether the PM should step down they can hang in. Would be huge fun for us weirdos who like this sort of thing.
01-11-2015 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
It's sobering that British politics is essentially about who is less vile than whom.
I don't think that this is particularly British problem.
01-11-2015 , 07:48 PM
Cant wait. for the election this year.

The YES/NO vote conn is over,

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/YX...3205d2611f.jpg

these three stooges, not plausible, not to be trusted way too weak, and a posh school bully, just doesn't work.

Tis kinda funny the unionist people in Scotland, will vote UKIP, simply because they think they will deport people lol.

SNP will be stronger than ever, try rigging a general election haha

I guess it can be done.
01-11-2015 , 08:35 PM
There is a possible crazy coalition with all the randoms edging just over enough votes to form, that will fall apart within a year, but I doubt they prop up Miliband so who knows who would be pm.

If the goal is comedy this is it. A head of state decided between labour, lib dems, the snp and people like that Manchester independent guy who you never hear about. It would be the least controversial nobody in the commons.
01-12-2015 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
I don't think that this is particularly British problem.
True. But we are very limited in the UK. In places like the Netherlands and Denmark they seem to have dozens more parties to choose from and while those smaller parties end up forming coalitions, the parties get a slice of power in the coalition that is proportionally based on votes, so no vote is wasted regardless of how small your party is. Here you either vote for the Tories to spite Labour or vote Labour to spite the Tories (or UKIP, the Greens or LD to spite both depending on where you live). Proportional representation would go a long way to fix the issue.
01-12-2015 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
True. But we are very limited in the UK. In places like the Netherlands and Denmark they seem to have dozens more parties to choose from and while those smaller parties end up forming coalitions, the parties get a slice of power in the coalition that is proportionally based on votes, so no vote is wasted regardless of how small your party is. Here you either vote for the Tories to spite Labour or vote Labour to spite the Tories (or UKIP, the Greens or LD to spite both depending on where you live). Proportional representation would go a long way to fix the issue.
I'm broadly in favour of proportional representation, but I want a 'none of the above' option where NOTA votes are tallied and the MP's chosen by lottery from ordinary voters who have registered an interest. The only criterion for registering as a NOTA candidate is that you must not belong to, or donate to, any political party.
01-12-2015 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gedsys

Tis kinda funny the unionist people in Scotland, will vote UKIP, simply because they think they will deport people lol.
I think this may be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.
01-12-2015 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeedz
Most to least likely imo

Con/Lib coalition
Lab/Lib coalition
Con outright winners
Lab/green coalition
Con/Ukip coalition
Lab outright winners
Reelection
Lab/Ukip coalition (lol)
Ukip outright winners
Hell freezing over
Lib outright winners
fwiw, odds of forming the next government (skybet odds):

Con/Lib Coalition 4/1
Labour Minority 9/2
Labour Majority 9/2
Conservative Majority 5/1
Lab/Lib 11/2
Any Coalition involving UKIP 11/2
UKIP Majority 80
Lib Dem Majority 250

Seems crazy that despite how (seemingly) accurately the market can predict how the votes are going to play out, it has absolutely no idea what's going to form government.

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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
The Greens have shown their huge incompetence in Brighton. An absolute triumph of style over content. I mean, they're less vile than UKIP, but then who isn't?
Do you have any evidence to support this?

      
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