keep taking the pills

Wat?

Because they were one thing, you are naive to not think they they are this completely unrelated thing.

Whereas Angela who the f are you again Eagle is so representative of Labour voters? Remember that Labour have lost 2 elections before Corbyn got in. It's time for change. Labour have done pretty well in election tests under Corbyn - it's widely acknowledged that the splitters had to put their coup attempt off at least once following surprise election successes, waiting for a crisis of the current magnitude before they could make a move.

Credit is being given to 250 000 people who voted for Corbyn, as opposed to 172 MPs who exist only because they stood as Labour candidates, nothing more. Not to mention stuff like actual rules that have to be adhered to.

Corbyn speaking to momentum now. will he stay or will he go now.

He's sounding like he's building up to going to go.

I think it's interesting how much poker players these days consider their own heightened awareness of awareness to be such a defining trait (I'd agree with you guys to a point).

Super skinny... maybe not. Evolutionarily speaking humans are attracted to health for procreation which drives much of our behavior. This would favor people who are in shape. Especially since something like obesity is a relatively new issue for our species.

He's staying

UK politics

The membership of the party are the ones going out selling the party's message to the electorate, it's their party they get to choose who leads it.

I never even mentioned Angela Eagle.

To say that Labour have done 'pretty well' in elections tests under Corbyn is ridiculous. If the barometer of success is that he didn't do as badly as was expected then maybe he did do pretty well, but not by any other measure.

As for the Labour members who voted for Corbyn, as I said earlier the Labour membership and Labour voters are different things. I don't any who support Corbyn. Some did initially but no on I know, that I've discussed this with, supports him. It's a cliche but he is seen as part of a metropolitan elite and despite being further to the left that most of his party he's seen by many as being further from the average working man (and woman).

It's also interesting to look at some details regarding the new members of the Labour party who joined after the 2015 general election. A study has shown that 78% of them are ABC1's. 17% of new members voted for the Green Party at the 2015 general election (hardly staunch Labour supporters). The new members are more likely to back Corbyn than the membership as a whole. And finally, the new members may tweet or sign an online petition but aren't anywhere near as likely to do any of the hard graft in terms of leafleting, telephone canvassing, going door to door or even attending a party meeting.

But they're not really (the new ones anyway). See my post above

When the MPs are so far out of step with the membership (asuming JC wins) then one way or another there has to be a parting of the ways between the membership and this batch of MPs.

Middle England won't vote for Corbynites (unless they have an Exit agenda, and even then they'd probably prefer UKIP).

He won convincingly among established Labour members not just the ones that joined to support his bid.

'Won' being the key word here. If the question is about now then 46% of party members who were members before the leadership contest would support him again. His support is far higher among those who joined during and after the leadership election.

if Corbyn goes he has to be replaced, eagle is the front runner right now.
Labour doubled their majority in Tooting, I'd say that's doing pretty well.
Don't know about what your friends think, but it's obvious that Corbyn is far more representative of ordinary people than 99% of politicians.

If you can find the exact figures help me out, but I think 77% of existing members and 88% of new members voted for him.
The last thing you say is pretty lol. The party haemorrhaged members under Blair, and struggled to get people on doorsteps etc. This week the Labour left mobilised 10 000 at the drop of a hat, with further rallies to follow around the country.

The leaders of the biggest unions have just reaffirmed their support for Corbyn - representing millions of members - yes they won't all support Corbyn but if the BBC insist on repeating the nonsense that the 172 MPs represent 9 million voters... haha

Angela Eagle would be a terrible replacement.

People are flocking to join Labour as polls suggest Corbyn would win new leadership election

I don't like her politics (too left, basically) but I'd 100% back her if she's the anybody-but-Corbyn replacement.

I come at this from the angle of somebody who wants to see a Labour party in governance ASAP (barring some major shift in the UK political paradigm that sees some other non-Tory party become potentially electable). Despite the difficulties that the Tories are having, I believe that whoever is the next Labour leader will become PM about 0% of the time. I think we're several steps removed from that but an obvious first step is to get rid of Corbyn. Not only does he destroy Labour's prospects in the short-medium term, he risks breaking the party in two, making long term Tory electoral dominance as much a sure thing as can be in politics.

As I said, I don't really like her politics. I also don't think she'd appeal enough to the electorate enough to win a GE, even under better circumstances. But she is making the right noises about party unity and she's not Jeremy Corbyn. I have my digits crossed that collectively, the party membership can vote her in over Corbyn. It would demonstrate a shred of pragmatism that would give me a tiny amount of optimism that one day a leader could be elected that would be perceived as a viable candidate for PM by the wider electorate. In truth, I'm really not optimistic.

All of this based on the assumption that Angela Eagle will be the sole challenger to Corbyn's leadership. If there's more than one challenger, that's just stupid. If it's somebody else, my argument is the same except maybe I'll like them more and my support won't be so reluctant.

there's footage of angela eagle talking in parliament in the summer of 2008 responding to some lib dem. he was saying that the housing markt was a gigantic bubble which was about to burst. she spent a good few mins saying 'lol this idiot bloke doesnt understand how the economy works' in sneering tones

i am 99.95% sure ive seen it on utoob. now cant find it

conspiracy

tbh I think it's the nature of politics that you're going to get some egg on your face from time to time. Unless you constantly duck issues and never strongly state your opinion. But people don't like that either.

Lol

I'm okay with there being an election with him on the ballot so we can see what level of support he has now.

Are you talking a general election? I mean, Labour are in no fit state to fight or win an election whoever is in charge, so their game should probably be let May or Boris have a pass if they call a GE, use that as an excuse to kick Corbyn out, and move into the centre ground over the next 5 years as the Tories inevitably lurch to the right.

However, I guess many career politicians see 5 years as too long a time, hence the current situation.

Eagle is clearly bright but she's tainted by her support of the invasion of Iraq and for opposing an investigation into it.

I doubt the rank and file are ready to forgive that horrendous chapter in Labour's history yet.