Terrible news for those hoping for an Anti-Brexit coalition, it seems Tony Blair wants to be involved:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7689926.html Surely by now he has to realise just how disliked he is, which means he's actively trying to destroy the barely existent Lib Dems. The man's a monster.

Did you sleep through the last administration? Did you not think people voted Lib Dem "tactically" in 2010?

In many seats its a choice between Tory or Lib Dem, Labour can not win in those seats, its that simple, LABOUR CAN NOT WIN.

This is not opinion, its a simple non negotiable absolute fact.

So in those seats who do you want to win, Lib Dem or Tory?

I know in you live in a shallow simple world comprised of black and white absolutes, but to those of us in the real world, it's an easy choice to make.

You seem to be oblivious to the fact that for five of the last six years a Tory government was propped up by the Liberal Democrats.

I don't think any one should vote Liberal Democrat on the assumption that they will do the exact opposite of what they've been doing for the best part of a decade. That makes no sense at all.

So your advice for Labour voters in constituencies where Labour have 0% chance of winning is still vote Labour even those in practise this is a vote that helps the Tories win the GE.

Vote Help the Tories win the GE is GBV's advice.

You are the Yin to Diebitters Yang.


I also noticed that propping up the Tories led to some horrible political outcomes for the Liberals, pretty sure they noticed to.

Relevant. 100 seats could be a big deal no?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-defeat-tories

The left always splinters and imposes crazy ideological purity tests whereas the right just shows up consistently and votes for whoever has a blue rosette. That's why the tories "have a mandate" (24% of the electorate) for wildly unpopular things like dismantling social services.

Labour line opening at 169.5 and 167.5

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...l-seats-labour

Lib Dems at 31.5 and 34.5

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...eral-democrats

Tories 372.5 and 364.5

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...s-conservative

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...efore-election

Can you imagine the field day the papers would have if corbyn refused to debate? I guess they're too busy rooting out enemies of the people and saboteurs to worry about it though.

Can't believe she won't debate. Even Trump debated Clinton 3 times where he was clearly out gunned.

Is this just an initial bargaining spot where she will end up doing one as a "compromise"?

I'm surprised that the Farrons and Stergeons of the world are saying 'the broadcasters should empty chair her'. They should go one step further. Broadcasters are no longer the gatekeepers they once were. If the other leaders arranged their own debates and streamed it on YouTube/Twitch, it would still get millions of viewers. And that would scare the **** out of the broadcasters into showing the debates regardless of whether May is interested or not.

Scoreboard tho

Cameron didn't debate last time (at least head-to-head) and it didn't seem to hinder Conservative performance, so why would May risk it, when she is so far in front in the polls, and a far less accomplished speaker than Cameron.

Do you think it's also because most young people don't bother to vote? (and they're more likely to vote for left wing parties)

Under what scenario(s) do you think Labour could win?

Osborne isn't standing again. Unfortunately this is only 'for now'

labour don't need to win for the bet to lose

Lib Dem numbers are surprising - they're pricing in a massive revival - usually they do get a bounce with greater attention during the campaign. A revival like this obviously could happen but is it really likely?

After they said they "wouldn't rule out propping up the tories again", they have no chance of getting that many. Under is a sure bet.

You know what crazy is? It is voting for a party that ****ed the country in the arse for 5 years doing the exact opposite of what its voters wanted, and supporting the most illiberal, right-wing government in UK political history.

There was a clear majority for left-wing policies in 2010. It did not result in a left-wing government because the Liberal Democrats sold us out. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

You're assuming that the natural ally of the Lib Dems under Clegg, a right wing Liberal, was the Labour Party. This isn't the 1970s and the days of the Lib-Lab pact, or even the 1980s when there was also a clear anti-Tory majority in the electorate.

Its amazing how incapable you are of non tribal thinking even when said thinking actually leads to conclusions that hurt said tribe.

Yes, I am incapable of compromise.

That's why I suppported Kinnock even though he began a process of modernization widely hated by the Left of the party.

That's why I voted for and campaigned for Blair even though he did nothing for the Left or the working class other than make their problems worse.

That's why I voted for Charles Kennedy when Blair went crazy and launched an illegal war.

That's why I voted for Gordon Brown despite his bail-out of of the banks and an unprecedented transfer of wealth from poor to rich.

That's why I voted for Ed Milliband with his zero charisma and fence-sitting politics even though his lack of conviction was obviously terminal.

That's why I voted Brexit campaigning to stay in the EU despite it being run by mostly right-wing eurocrats that were forcing austerity on millions.

Yes, I am taking the piss.

Now, finally we get a leader that actually believes in something. Someone who isn't a careerist, or a sell-out, and inspired people so much that Labour now has the largest membership in western europe.

In the short period we have had him, bastards like you tried to stab the guy in the back twice. After thirty ****ing years after going along with you snivelling, whining pathetic modernizers that gave us nothing.

Compromise has got the left NOWHERE. The lesson of the last 30 years is that if you believe in something you will fight for it.

Where is YOUR compromise? Where is YOUR concession to the left? Where is the loyalty to the broad left that we exhibited so many times?

Because, I think either your with the Labour party and support the leader or your a ****ing tory, becuase that is what has always happened in the past. When the left sided with people like you-we got a tory government whoever we voted for. No more.

So, No, I am not voting for Tim-****ing-Farron.

Fyp.

Oh wow. A meme. The Simpsons, no less, very creative.

You must be intelligent.