http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/...uch#.ftNnNzmrP

How has this not been posted already...

Apparently David Cameron likes to put his penis in dead pigs...

He writes as someone who doesn't live there and is probably a bit more detached from the debate than he actually thinks. I tend to tune out people claiming to speak on behalf of others and just really consider what they have to say. I was interested enough to look round the site and what was apparent was any lack of discussion around why Yes failed to get there.

The tradition I'm interested in is only really as an established nation, it's what differentiates Scotland from the regions in terms of polity. And yeah I love it when ordinary people decide to run the bigots off.

Corbyn: "Ian from Bolton asks did he really **** a dead pig, Mr Speaker?"

Billy Bragg on electability. I agree with him; Corbyn is totally electable and the Tories are ****ting their pants.

Ahaha, that would be amazing.

I hope we see some younger 'big beasts' start to emerge quickly. Electability is all well and good but it's a longish shot to bring about such a big political change in one shot. There's a danger that any ground made will be quickly lost as JC's generation retire.

Some serious political grooming needs to be happening.

In this regard defections to the Lib Dems could be seen as a positive (in safe seats at least because - I believe - it would trigger a by-election); the right wing of Labour could be replaced with promising young politicians.

I don't. No he isn't. No they are not.

Who would have guessed

Absolutely but I doubt it's going to happen much in this parliament. Too many will be waiting to see if the move left fails, either before or just after the next general election.

Much of Labour's future electability may well be predicated on how badly, or otherwise, the Tories **** up being in power.

They probably only have to avoid doing anything too stupidly right wing and hope that the economy continues to grow to retain their current position. But they are vulnerable to another Poll Tax debacle without anyone really holding them in check.

That's always true but you have to be in a position to take advantage of the other sides mistakes.

By the time Thatcher/Major ****ed up electorally the left had lost too much ground to the Blairites. Tragically many believe the Blairites won just because they were so electable rather than also because the Tories had ceased to be.

Yeah I believe John Smith would have won in '97 regardless - people were just sick of the Tories sleaze and Euro infighting and wanted a change.

As a result Labour took over an economy that I believe was the strongest of any incoming government, so the economy isn't everything. Labour's best chance in 2020 (other than Chucka) would have been a Labour party united on Europe while the Tories dropped the ball while bickering with themselves post-referendum.

Corbyn has left the centre ground wide open for the Tories, but they will almost certainly look to move further right as a result. Not a bad thing for the electorate, as at least they will have 2 distinct main options, and the centre ground opens up again for the Lib Dems.

I agree.

For me, Labour need a leader that is neither a foaming at the mouth bearded marxist nor a PPE Oxbridge career politician ****. Sadly they couldn't come up with the goods. It's a shame they can't resurrect John Smith's corpse.

Well if far left activist and sort of a celebrity Billy Bragg says so...

But the tories definitely aren't worried. Maybe he is right and Corbyn is electable but the tories were basically campaigning for Corbyn for a reason.

Time will tell where the truth is.

I think Billy Bragg is and has always been (right back to the Red Wedge days) someone who thinks with his heart, not his mind, and I disregard pretty much anything he says. The same goes for Weller and most other pop stars.

This is how the Tories win, with the right wing press helping to make people believe the economy is growing. It might be growing for the banks but it isn't growing for the rest. Included in this 'growing economy' is prostitution and illegal drug consumption. The figures are a joke. We only need to look at the rising poverty levels across the country to see so.

The problem for the Tories is that nowadays the right wing press is not the only source and those many millions who didn't vote in May are becoming engaged in politics. It seems almost trendy nowadays to get into activism, and it's the left who are acting. A lot of people have had enough of their **** and are now beginning to believe they can actually do something about it.

It says a lot that Corbyn is seen by many as such when he actually just wants to put the masses before the elite with common sense policies. I haven't heard him advocating Marxist communism. It's even more amazing that many who are affected by the right's agenda believe their ****e.

Lol were you being literal when you said the economy isn't growing?

Also no his policies aren't common sense.

He wants to create inflation printing tens of billions to buy the trains and energy companies and he wants to drive us back to being the sick man of Europe with more unions that no one wants and a tax policy that will drive international trade and industry from our shores.

He is against running a surplus and wants to massively increase public debt driving us into becoming Greece when China's economy implodes in about a decade dragging the world into a recession (yes it's guaranteed to happen, yes only the tories are preparing for the inevitable).

He doesn't even want to help the poor. He wants to legislate what private home owners can charge to rent their property and wants to shell out billions getting rid of tuition fees both of which will harm the poorest the most. One will crush the availability of private rented housing and the other will cut university places with the poor hardest hit given they benefited the most from tuition fees and not even close.

Whats wrong with creating inflation, the central banks of USA, UK and Europe are all desperate to create some inflation.

If we have to wait another decade for the next recession that will be longest period between recession by a fair bit, longest is actually a decade, so at the moment we beat that record if there is no recession by 2018. Warning signs are already brewing up.

better spending that £ on renewing trident at a cost of about £200bn instead

Yes, it is best to have a nuclear shield, I agree.

Its also worth pointing out that for all their talk of defecit reduction and controlling debt, the total national debt has increased by about ~50% ( just under £1 trillion in April 2010 to about £1.5 trillion in February 2015. ) in the five years the Tories have been in power.

Heads up for our Brit politards.

Interesting documentary showing on More 4 on Thursday night at 10pm.
Charlie Hebdo: Three Days That Shook Paris.

This just isn't correct. As an example, I was dating a girl recently who earned no more than £25k in a customer service job and spent over a grand on an ipad and iphone for her pre-adolescent children for Christmas.

The middle classes are sloshing around in money and are pretty much never going to be worse off under the Tories, while Labour present a (albeit minuscule) risk to their ability to swap cars every 2 years.

But how much debt was she in?

Economy must be growing because Elrazor knows someone who bought an i-pad.