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Old 06-10-2018, 10:22 PM   #10951
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Brexiteer cabinet mutiny to bring down the nasty party?

Austerity politics has brought public services to it's knees. Record levels of poverty and inequality will be the tories legacy.

Chairman May.......time for the chop!

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Old 06-11-2018, 11:45 AM   #10952
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Now's the time for a pro-Brexit centrist enlightened-libertarian party to step up...
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Old 06-11-2018, 06:26 PM   #10953
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Now's the time for a pro-Brexit centrist enlightened-libertarian party to step up...
The Oxymoron party? Moron party for short.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:24 AM   #10954
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What do you think that means? It would probably not be so far from New Labour or Cameron's Tories in practice, just a bit less muddled ideally.
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:31 AM   #10955
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Its just word pie, a bunch of words that contradict each other.

You cant have a centrist libertarian party.

You cant have libertarians that are enlightened.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:01 AM   #10956
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Enlighted as I understand it in this context generally includes the realisation that taxes for social programs give benefits with externalites to all individuals that can make them valuable even from an individualistic perspective, thereby pushing financial liberalism more central than right. Libertarian is obviously left wing on liberalism. If it doesn't make sense to call that lot roughly centrist, then why not?
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:42 AM   #10957
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Libertarian is not more left wing than liberalism.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:53 AM   #10958
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No, it IS left wing liberalism - it's not more.

I.e. it is not authoritarian. Unless I've got the wings wrong in some people's opinion, because I see that you can sort of have an authoritarian left wing to the liberalism scale, but I think that is either mixing up some axes, or its that horseshoe theory thing.
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Old 06-12-2018, 06:40 PM   #10959
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Re: UK Politarding Thread

Comedy gold.
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Old 06-12-2018, 06:44 PM   #10960
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Libertarian is ultra right wing economically and ultra left wing socially.

Conservatives/traditional right want less gov intervention in the economy, but more authoritarian/rules intervention in social life.

Labour/traditional left Want more gov intervention in economy, but less rules/more freedom socially.

There has been some movement by the right towards more liberal positions socially but their is a big back lash in their base against this.

Libertarian can never be centrist, its extreme in all its positions.
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:29 AM   #10961
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Here's an amusing version of the political compass. I'm talking about the upper right green square. It's just as centrist as any 'wing's' center leaning area except for the very middle, which presumably no one ever hits. We've had New Labour, the Tories, and the Lib Dems in those other 3 centrist boxes at various points, but I think we have missed out the chance to vote for balanced liberal personal responsibility.

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Old 06-13-2018, 04:02 AM   #10962
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You claiming black is white does not make it white.

Libertarian policy of radical small government, small as possible, can not be centrist, you are arguing against a truism.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:36 AM   #10963
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That's only like saying Labour is 100% pure Marxism. Of course you can take a gradient.
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Old 06-13-2018, 01:52 PM   #10964
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Libertarian is not more left wing than liberalism.
Libertarians are hippies who predictably grew up to be conservatives, plus their credulous intellectual heirs, and they essentially believe that there is no such thing as society (per Margaret Thatcher) and that they should be able to buy any drugs they want and send their children to private schools and not have to pay for poor people's healthcare. So, not left wing, no, and not centrist either. (Centrism requires a welfare state, which libertarians despise as a thing for poor people who didn't go to their elite university and can't afford their top-grade drugs and don't deserve to exist.)

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Old 06-13-2018, 02:00 PM   #10965
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I have never seen so much internal dissent in both parties, while the EU continues to negotiate from a unified position. British business is afraid to speak out because of the spectre of a Labour government. That spectre will shrink if things are not sorted out. Govts are not forever Brexit is.

The SNP walk out ...minister resignations. It's a joke.
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Old 07-03-2018, 03:42 PM   #10966
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The police have got some questions to answer over this one

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44700764

The original investigtion cost £2.5m
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Old 07-08-2018, 04:51 PM   #10967
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44760875
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:20 AM   #10968
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Apparently we've started murdering our own citizens to try to distract the population from the fact the World Cup has been a success. The Russians aren't even trying anymore with their attempts to deflect blame.
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:26 PM   #10969
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Old 07-09-2018, 12:43 PM   #10970
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It's like a series of the Thick of It. You honestly couldn't make it up.

Happy to see the odious Boris Johnson resign.
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:12 AM   #10971
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It's like a series of the Thick of It. You honestly couldn't make it up.

Happy to see the odious Boris Johnson resign.
Well that's pretty much why/how the Thick of It was written, they didn't really need to make it up. And it has always been like that, watch some old re-runs of Yes Minister and Drop the Dead Donkey.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:16 PM   #10972
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Anyone seen or heard from the DUP?

Belfast is about to burn and the bastards will be standing watching the bonfires tonight.

Unreal these ****s hold the balance of power and not a word said.

But Jeremy.........
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