Theresa May Misses Her Opportunity, again - Politico

https://www.politico.eu/article/ther...rtunity-again/

My question (from across the pond): Is this article exaggerated and overstated, or is Theresa May's government in real danger of falling?

Brexit could crush this government (and much more)

The rest isn't going to bring down the government. Apart from anything else all parties are guilty. Exception might be if May herself got caught up in a serious scandal.

Both John Major and Gordon Brown limped along like this for years. They both got crushed at election, but they didn't fall.

Carl Sargent found dead, apparently took his own life.

A small bit of good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-five-year-low

State of the parties – December 3rd (changes vs Survation polling 4th-5th October)
LAB 45% (+1) CON 37% (-1) LD 6% (-1) UKIP 4% (NC) SNP 3% (NC) GRE 1% (NC) AP 3% (NC)
http://survation.com/labour-extends-...conservatives/

Corbyn still trailing May in who the public think will make the best prime minister.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/11/08...our-43-23-24-/

Considering the state of this government, Labour should be miles ahead in every measurable metric.

It's really got to the stage where people are voting for the least-worst option. Both parties are terrible.

After 1997, it's pretty much been the least worst every election

An awful lot of people, particularly older people who remember the 70s, see Corbyn getting in as a proper disaster.

Let's face it when you belong to a party where one of your senior shadow ministers is Diane Abbott, you ain't the most talented bunch.

Not to say the Cons are much better, but they aren't so obviously stupid to the same level.

I think the difference is that from 97, people were voting more and more for parties they were enthusiastic about (Lib Dems, UKIP, Greens, SNP), but that seems to be dissipating for two parties that very few are excited about and most people intensely dislike.

I would argue the exact opposite. When not a rizla paper separated lab/tory/lib there was more apathy / voting for least worst option. Voter polarisation is itself evidence the landscape has changed, ideology is back. Fence sitters can still vote lib dem so everybody's appy

Or they feel that voting for party a is the only way they can keep party b out and therefore they do so reluctantly?

The increase in Labour membership over the last couple of years suggests an increase in enthusiasm in certain quarters.

Certainly agree with that, but I think it has a causal effect on others that vote/may vote Labour who are less-enthusiastic but still won't vote Tory.

Possibly but look at Labour's vote in comparison to previous elections both in terms of vote share and actual numbers and the performance in the summer looks strong. Ironically so does May's not in relation to their expectations clearly but in terms of raw numbers. Labour did better than in any year since 1997 and the Tories since 1992. What is most notable is that the Lib Dems have collapsed.

To remember the 70s with any degree of political awareness puts you firmly in tory demographics anyway. Most people who can remember the 70s would vote tory even if the Messiah was labour leader. That said the 70s angle is over played, I would like to see the current administration deal with two oil shocks.

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That's kinda the way I see it when it becomes this polarised and I think the fact the Tory vote has held up so much despite them being a train-wreck is evidence of this.

One of the more obnoxious SNP MP's (and there's quite a few to choose from) revelling in the UK doing badly on the Brexit front



She seem's to forget that Scotland is part of the UK and even if we ignore that she doesn't seem cocnerned that things going badly will affect people's lives.

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/st...36351197732864

And while Rome burns Scotland laughs. Big ****ing deal.

Catch yourself on, the lying Tory bastards have been having a laugh at all our expenses since they thought up brexit. I should mention that not one of the hateful bastards give a toss about you and me, that's why they are Tory bastards in the first place ffs.

Would be willing to bet there are no SNP MP's that could run any one of the lying Tory bastards close in the obnoxious stakes.

Ahem, Salmond

Here you have a British MP laughing at something that will affect her constituents as well as others. She isn't laughing at 'Tories', she never even mentions them. They want Brexit to be as bad as possible.
As for 'Scotland'd laughing, I see you're falling for the SNP guff that they are 'Scotland'. It's a laughable claim from a party who got slightly over 1/3 of the vote at the last election (by coincidence they managed to lose 1/3 of their voters at the same time)

As for obnoxious stakes, Cherry is the one who lied online claiming a Nurse who had the audacity to take the SNP to task on Question Time was married to a Tory councillor, que the harrasment of the poor woman from that point on. It wasn't true.

The SNP don't care about people's lives either, they are driven only by their idealogical belief in independence and they will continue with that despite the fact they know it would mean billions being lost from the economy. The country continues to go backwards under their stewardship.

Depends how cynical you want to view it and what kind of slant you are aiming to demonstrate. I'd like to think hundreds of thousands of young new voters were drawn to a positive programme, cynics can have their cake and say it woz about free goodies but can't eat it with 'keep the tories out' - this wouldn't make sense anyhow since the rise in the youth vote is unprecedented.
Re the older generation, well since the tories offered them nothing except a beating I'd be inclined to take the cynical view, peeps went for the daily mail line to keep out raving lefty loons.

I'm not pretending that I (or anyone) can disaggregate the '17 election results between enthusiasm and apathy, but I think it's just as cynical to say that there was nothing between the parties prior to Corbyn and that anyone who takes the centre-ground is in some way a fence-sitter.

I don't blame them for wanting brexit to be as bad as possible if they think that will help with independence, also don't blame the SNP for being a single issue party.

Lo****ingl that I think SNP = Scotland.

Bigger lol that an SNP mp called someone a bad name online while the tory bastards are trying to wipe our eyes and empty our pockets. Tories are in bed with the bigot party btw, nothing tops that ****.

To the bolded....pot calling the kettle black comes to mind.

Of course you don't blame them as independence wouldn't affect you. Also, you're following the SNP line of shouting Tories (surprised you haven't used the Red Tories line yet) to try to deflect from their failures.
To quote the IFS when they looked at party manifestos before the election: " the implication of the plans they have spelt out in their manifesto is that the period of austerity would be longer than under the other three parties we consider. The SNP’s stated plans do not necessarily match their anti-austerity rhetoric. "

As for your last line, I'm not sure how me stating that the country has gone backwards under the SNP is a case of pot calling the kettle black. I've never been in charge of the country