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09-16-2018 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
I'm with party girl on this one.
Good for you, but some of us were not and we dont get any choice in her highly selfish unilateral action.
09-16-2018 , 03:02 PM
I'm not going to get drawn into an argument about tomj but it's obviously not unilateral.
09-16-2018 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by joejoe1337
I'm not going to get drawn into an argument about tomj but it's obviously not unilateral.
Its also obviously not multi lateral.

Reporting posters is just ghey. There is an ignore function.

PG knows all about this as she once PMd me suggesting I put tomj on ignore.
09-16-2018 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lolOAF
The private forum argument is a cop out. The line is blurred, corporate media can argue as a private company it can control the parameters of the debates it runs but when it gets too big it has to be in the public Interest ie provide balance and not just ban opinions the owner doesnt like. Now 2p2 may be small enough to run its own show but as you point out the parameters of debate are so limited it actually makes for terrible info-tainment when participants post the same tired regurgitated corporate media opinions.
As you can see I am quite happy for you to post your own opinions.

That said, the way you express yourself (terribly) is far more entertaining than any actual content of your quote "ideas" /quote.
09-16-2018 , 04:25 PM
When everything's going to **** there's always schadenfreude

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20..****y-libel-case

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Controversial commentator Katie Hopkins, who once said poor people in debt have no one else to blame but themselves, has applied for an insolvency agreement in a bid to avoid bankruptcy following a costly libel case involving the food writer Jack Monroe.

Last year, the rightwing broadcaster was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds in damages and legal costs after she sent tweets in 2015 which falsely implied Monroe backed the defacement of war memorials by protestors.

Monroe originally asked for Hopkins to apologise and donate £5,000 to a migrants’ charity or she would sue. But Hopkins – who had confused Monroe with the columnist Laurie Penny – refused to back down, resulting in a costly court case, with the commentator forced to pay £24,000 in damages and a substantially larger sum in legal costs.
Hope this miserable racist f**k dies penniless and alone. According to her poor people deserve their fate so hopefully no one helps her and they just point and laugh instead.
09-16-2018 , 04:55 PM
FYI: I had him on ignore. I felt he added nothing and was probably a bad faith troll but wasn't a spammer or explicitly racist. He made this thread unreadable but I never suggested a ban.

Someone else banned him for I think war crimes denial which IMO is a borderline bannable offence (I probably wouldn't have banned). So when he came back this time it was in direct contravention of the site rules. I don't think we should allow people who have been banned to come back as they please, especially when they do so to essentially repeat the behaviour that got them banned.
09-17-2018 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Hope this miserable racist f**k dies penniless and alone. According to her poor people deserve their fate so hopefully no one helps her and they just point and laugh instead.
The part that really made me laugh was:
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Earlier this year, she successfully won a complaint against the Daily Mirror after its website gave the impression that she was prevented from leaving South Africa for taking ketamine. She said the claim could be damaging to her reputation as, in reality, her passport had been briefly confiscated over allegations she had been spreading racial hatred, rather than for using medically-prescribed drugs.
"Yeah, sure, I'm a massive racist, but god forbid I use drugs!"
09-17-2018 , 07:17 AM
Lol wtf was the point in asking him to comeback (especially if you had him on ignore?!?!?!??!) only to go report him (for not much at all ffs) and getting him banned again.

Quite sad.
09-17-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
When everything's going to **** there's always schadenfreude

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20..****y-libel-case



Hope this miserable racist f**k dies penniless and alone. According to her poor people deserve their fate so hopefully no one helps her and they just point and laugh instead.


if it's what you say, i love it
09-17-2018 , 04:48 PM
Hopkins is a bit of a toe rag in fairness & got herself into hot water over her Final Solution comments after the Manchester attacks.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...chester-attack
09-18-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
FYI I reported him. Turned out having him back (if it was him) was less amusing that anticipated.
Ah. You noticed that, then.
09-18-2018 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Hopkins is a bit of a toe rag in fairness & got herself into hot water over her Final Solution comments after the Manchester attacks.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...chester-attack
Hopkins used to tweet that she would personally assassinate Putin if she got the chance in some bizarroworld of her imagination. She now tweets 'Vlad rocks!' and endorses all of RT's horrible Syria-related conspiracy theories, and probably the Salisbury ones as well, though I can't be arsed to check at the moment.

She has, of course, lost all her legitimate media contracts and been forced to enter an Individual Voluntary Arrangement for insolvency after mistaking the cook Jack Monroe for the all-round political irritant Laurie Penny and claiming that Monroe supported the defacing of war memorials, and losing the resultant libel action.

The fact of her insolvency and need for money is obviously related to her newfound enthusiasm for Putin. The Kremlin has uses for crackpots like her and Vanessa Beeley. And Putin shill George Galloway, of course, presents a show on RT and is therefore a paid agent of the Russian government just as Lord Haw-Haw was a paid agent of the Third Reich.

Last edited by 57 On Red; 09-18-2018 at 04:50 PM.
09-19-2018 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
And Putin shill George Galloway, of course, presents a show on RT and is therefore a paid agent of the Russian government just as Lord Haw-Haw was a paid agent of the Third Reich.

Galloway also presents a show on TalkRADIO, does that make him a paid shill of Rupert Murdoch?
09-19-2018 , 04:43 AM
Tomj v Luciom would have been elite entertainment.
09-19-2018 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cilldroichid
Galloway also presents a show on TalkRADIO, does that make him a paid shill of Rupert Murdoch?
You mean Rupert The Mad Poisoner as he's affectionately known to his mates?

No wait that's Putin's Russia sorry. Your comparison isn't apt. Big difference between hosting a show on an outlet owned by a corporate slimeball like Murdoch & hosting a show very probably funded & controlled by a nation which seemingly gleefully poisons people & has a suspiciously high proportion of ex pats being found dead in ever-so-slightly-dodgy circumstances.

Galloway imo is an opportunist & apologist for all manner of complete scumbags, some whose "indefatigability" he saluted. So it's no surprise at all he's shilling for Mother Russia long as he gets to bash America & the west in general & within such a context is indeed a paid agent for a regime that at the very least is authoritarian & repressive with a healthy dose of bigotry thrown in to boot. He's also a weirdo anyway, ever see him in celebrity Big Bruv? Pervy git.


Last edited by corpus vile; 09-19-2018 at 05:57 AM.
09-19-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cilldroichid
Galloway also presents a show on TalkRADIO, does that make him a paid shill of Rupert Murdoch?
Rupert isn't a head of state, isn't bombing Syria and doesn't have people killed. And you thought that remark was clever, did you? Have you tried boiling your head? Because I've heard that can work, in really serious cases of fascism like yours.
09-19-2018 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Have you tried boiling your head? Because I've heard that can work, in really serious cases of fascism like yours.


Wow, touchy aren’t we and you’re calling me a fascist.
09-22-2018 , 06:50 PM
09-23-2018 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cilldroichid
Wow, touchy aren’t we and you’re calling me a fascist.
You were defending a Saddam, Assad and Putin apologist, so yeah, I'm calling you a fascist.
09-26-2018 , 01:53 PM
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Bellingcat has been able to confirm the actual identity of one of the two officers. The suspect using the cover identity of “Ruslan Boshirov” is in fact*Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga, a highly decorated GRU officer bestowed with Russia’s highest state award,*Hero of the Russian Federation.*Following Bellingcat’s own identification, multiple sources familiar with the person and/or the investigation have confirmed the suspect’s identity.
Just a tourist seeing the sites who happens to be a highly decorated Kremlin agent

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...toliy-chepiga/
09-26-2018 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Just a tourist seeing the sites who happens to be a highly decorated Kremlin agent

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...toliy-chepiga/
Yes... that story is breaking quite big.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45656004

And the order of Hero of the Russian Federation is always personally awarded by the president, so, when Putin said, 'They are civilians,' he appears to have been handing out Melton Mowbray's most famous product after Stilton, i.e. pork pies. And you don't send a highly decorated ex-Spetsnaz colonel on a job that hasn't been ordered at the highest level.

This comment by Jeremy Corbyn is a bit awkward for the tomj's of this world:-

09-29-2018 , 05:03 AM
It is an odd report based on previous bbc reports and new information not from bbc journalists but from 'bellingcat' which they helpfully explain at the end what this actually is. It does not appear to be a legitimate news source accountable to regulatory bodies ('fake news' website?) The journalist quoted works under a pseudonym which of course removes any degree of accountability and is against basic ABC journalistic code as far as I am aware.

However assuming the information is legit, how likely is it that a colonel of the Russian (army?) carries out what is basically a routine operation. The answer above is that "you don't send a highly decorated ex-Spetsnaz colonel on a job that hasn't been ordered at the highest level". Can anybody with real experience or knowledge confirm this is normal practice? (I'm thinking chief wiggum going out on routine calls and smoking man personally killed Martin Luther King)
09-29-2018 , 05:56 AM
i dont have any more knowledge about this stuff than the next bloke, but it makes sense to me that this sort of operation would be handled by high ranking ppl

i mean an accurate (if dramatic) way to describe the operation would be an attempted assassination of a british citizen on british soil using a chemical weapon. if you get found out its a major diplomatic incident. they aint handing this sort of thing to ivan the intern
09-29-2018 , 06:22 AM
It doesn't really matter what evidence is provided the conspiritards will never believe it. Evidence doesn't really come into it for them, it's more of an ideological stance.
09-29-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DrRobotnit
It is an odd report based on previous bbc reports and new information not from bbc journalists but from 'bellingcat' which they helpfully explain at the end what this actually is. It does not appear to be a legitimate news source accountable to regulatory bodies ('fake news' website?) The journalist quoted works under a pseudonym which of course removes any degree of accountability and is against basic ABC journalistic code as far as I am aware.

However assuming the information is legit, how likely is it that a colonel of the Russian (army?) carries out what is basically a routine operation. The answer above is that "you don't send a highly decorated ex-Spetsnaz colonel on a job that hasn't been ordered at the highest level". Can anybody with real experience or knowledge confirm this is normal practice? (I'm thinking chief wiggum going out on routine calls and smoking man personally killed Martin Luther King)
Maybe sending a bona fide Colonel & issuing passports one digit off were Putin's way of saying "yeah we did it Britain/Western world now whaddyagonnadoabout it eh? Russia is strong & awesome so traitors beware!" as maybe ex KGB operatives (such as say, Putin) remember the glory of yesteryear & are a shade vindictive against those he considers to have disrespected him & by extension the Motherland & not only doesn't particularly gaf who knows about it but is actually rubbing their faces in it.

Just a thought.

      
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