Libertarians are hippies who predictably grew up to be conservatives, plus their credulous intellectual heirs, and they essentially believe that there is no such thing as society (per Margaret Thatcher) and that they should be able to buy any drugs they want and send their children to private schools and not have to pay for poor people's healthcare. So, not left wing, no, and not centrist either. (Centrism requires a welfare state, which libertarians despise as a thing for poor people who didn't go to their elite university and can't afford their top-grade drugs and don't deserve to exist.)

I have never seen so much internal dissent in both parties, while the EU continues to negotiate from a unified position. British business is afraid to speak out because of the spectre of a Labour government. That spectre will shrink if things are not sorted out. Govts are not forever Brexit is.

The SNP walk out ...minister resignations. It's a joke.

The police have got some questions to answer over this one

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44700764

The original investigtion cost £2.5m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44760875

Apparently we've started murdering our own citizens to try to distract the population from the fact the World Cup has been a success. The Russians aren't even trying anymore with their attempts to deflect blame.

It's like a series of the Thick of It. You honestly couldn't make it up.

Happy to see the odious Boris Johnson resign.

Well that's pretty much why/how the Thick of It was written, they didn't really need to make it up. And it has always been like that, watch some old re-runs of Yes Minister and Drop the Dead Donkey.

Anyone seen or heard from the DUP?

Belfast is about to burn and the bastards will be standing watching the bonfires tonight.

Unreal these ****s hold the balance of power and not a word said.

But Jeremy.........

No where to really put this but I love that the judge in the cliff richard case is called mr justice man. Like a ****ty superhero.

So it's actually looking like Margaret Hodge did call Corbyn a '****ing anti-semite and a racist' to his face yesterday.

Sigh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44929067

Technically, as the men have had their UK citizenship revoked, Javid can do that. It's deeply rubbish, though. You wonder if, post-Brexit, when they've repealed Tony Blair's Human Rights Act which embodies the European Convention on Human Rights (of which Britain was a founder), they'll reintroduce the death penalty in Britain. Brexit secretary Raab is on record as saying the Human Rights Act must be repealed and 'there are no economic or social rights.' Mainly they want to get rid of all employment rights, the minimum wage, the NHS, the old-age pension and the welfare system, but they'll probably bring back the death penalty while they're at it. And, given the likelihood of food riots and a general breakdown in civil order, the death penalty probably won't just be for murder. The army will have to keep control somehow, won't they?

And if Corbyn ever gets in, it'll be Stalinism, so there'll be a 100-foot high statue of him in every town and you'll be shot if you don't salute it with sufficient promptness and vigour every time you pass it. So you can vote Tory and die, or vote Labour and die. This is called 'consumer choice'.

It's really complicated. The Howard League are already taking legal action:

Also, the BES had 51% of Britons in favour of the death penalty for some crimes. How about another referendum? Worked out well last time.

Support for the death penalty continues to fall. In saying that though, if there was a vote on whether we should object to the US possibly using it in this case I'd imagine it the majority wouldn't object for a few different reasons.

Another day, another racist outburst from a Labour party member.

Unbelievable Corbyn had managed to weather this - if it were a Conservative or Liberal leader, they would have gone months ago.

Who this time?

I think Dianne Abbott needs to do some statistics for this.

I really don't understand how Corbyn and May are still leaders, especially Corbyn after this latest wreath laying scandal.

Tory leadership job is a poisoned chalice. Who would want to be in that position and dealing with the cluster**** that is Brexit? I wouldn't be suprised if moves were made in a years time though.

As for Corbyn, it's similar to the Trump situation where his supporters will back him to the hilt no matter what. It's not about Labour anymore for them, it's about Corbyn. It's a scandal for Labour that they aren't way ahead of such a shambolic Tory party in the polls and that's down to Corbyn. He regularly comes 3rd in the polls for who would make the best prime minister, behind May and 'don't knows'

I don't remember a more depressing time in UK politics.

At the last GE, contrary to what Corbyn's cult followers will tell you, the Tories scored their highest vote share since Margaret Thatcher's heyday, higher than she scored against Kinnock in '87, despite May running the worst campaign on record by inexplicably attacking the party's over-60 base. That's the Corbyn Effect. Any half-decent Labour leader would have walked it.

But Corbyn can't be removed because his cult control all the levers of power in what used to be the Labour Party. Labour MPs with any conscience or humanity need to resign the whip and sit as Independent or Co-Op. If they don't, particularly after the Black September idiocy, you should on no account vote for them. Like Husker, I don't remember a more depressing time in UK politics either, and I remember some seriously depressing times in the '70s and '80s.

I think it was slightly worse in the early 70s with some food shortages and power cuts, but I was a kid so wasn't really paying attention to politics.

Otherwise, absolutely. It's awful.

Brexit is the protracted crisis that will scalp May we just don't know when. As for removing Corbyn with wreath-gate, good luck, the only outcome is making people despise wreaths, and the word wreaths. Wreath has just lost all meaning.

Still going with the smear on Corbyn.

Ffs who will make peace if no politicians can talk to some unsavoury folk?

Where can I read the smears on everyone that has ever dealt with the likes of Saudi Arabia/Burma/Libya for British government sanctioned arms sales? (A far bigger crime than attending some memorials or laying some ****ing wreaths)

Mr John Hume got a nobel peace prize for helping to bring the PIRA to the table btw.