There's a paywall for the times so I can't tell if this is replicated in the article but:

She'll fit right in these days.

If May steps down, then the next Tory leader will be PM without the need for a GE.

disparity is b/c there's a fine chance that may resigns/is pushed before the next election takes place, which would result in a new PM

So it turns out when immigrants are reported on as real people rather than constantly dehumanised its pretty damn popular to let them stay. So much so even the bastard tories are bending over backwards to grant citizenship to anyone from the 'windrush generation' for free (no fees) with "generous" leeway with regards to documents.

What is the difference between the windrushers and recent immigrants who also come here to help build Britain now and in the future? Which argument for naturalising the windrushers doesn't hold with regards to today's immigrants?

No, he has the support of Labour Party members, who are less than 1% of the population and a very weird less-than-1% at that. Most of the members have only joined since 2015. It is not a coincidence that the EDL and UKIP have collapsed in that time: they've all joined Labour. So have former members of the International Socialists, Militant, the Socialist Workers' Party, Respect and other red-fascist groups. Labour is now an overtly fascist party, hence the rather rabid attacks on Jewish and anti-fascist Labour MPs, which Corbyn is doing nothing to discourage or punish. (Ken Loach, for instance, is still a party member. He should have been expelled last autumn when he engaged in Holocaust denial in a BBC interview, and he should never have been admitted in the first place because as recently as 2015 he was campaigning against Labour. But Corbyn actually likes Loach's fascist schtick.)

Among voters at large, Corbyn's approval rating is terrible, well below -20, while the ineffectual Theresa May's is around -5. And about 75% of Labour voters are opposed to Brexit, whereas Corbyn is a fanatical, swivel-eyed, diehard Brexitard.

Honestly if I were the maybot I'd be absolutely furious with the british people. 'You told me for decades how much you hated immigrants in every poll and vox pop and facebook group. I had to pretend to hate immigrants too and make out that I give a flying **** about "taking back control". Now, the very first test case where actual immigrants are involved and even the fascists at the daily mail say I'm being too nasty? Make your ****ing minds up people!'

Expect crickets in reply.

Lol.

Lefty labour the fascist party full of UKIP'ers and the EDL mob.

Or you're just full of ****e per usual.

Why is no one even asking the bolded question? I listen to the today show each morning and PM each evening I've not heard one person on either show make this point.

Nobody gives a toss? More to the point, would they get airtime when trying to raise such issues? I doubt it.

Or it could be the fact that most all your politicians have been willing your country down the ****ter this last few years.....so no help for the needy immigrants or the starving that have to visit food banks for nourishment.

I agree with the spirit of your point, but every EU citizen here before the referendum will be given a pathway towards naturalised citizenship.

May has long been leading the anti-immigration line. Her 5 figure policy for example is extremely hard line (and stupid).

For most people there's no inconsistancy betwen wanting fair immigration and wanting restricted immigration - very few are like, us and simply dont object to immigration at all. Windrush (and the similarly for many from the EU) is obviously unfair and it's no suprise at all that there's an overwhelmign objection to what has happened as well as strong support fro those from the eu who have been here for a long time.

Also many of the more xenophobic brexiters have far more of an issue with the relatively recent white immigrants from Poland/etc. The line about 'eu special status is unfair on those from the commonwealth' isn't always bogus.

This is painful stuff. One would think not worth responding to but this kind of nonsense is getting a surprising amount of traction in the press.

'EDL and UKIP have all joined Labour'. If you truly believe this you have no concept of what any of these groupings are, still less a citation to back it up.

The SWP (the IS ceased to exist in 1977) had/has less than 5000 members (probably much less) and is by far the biggest far left organisation. Exact membership figures are impossible to come by, let's say a very generous 10 000 total from Respect, SWP, Socialist Party (millitant which ceased to exist circa 1990) + assorted fringe groups (not all of whom have joined Labour) you are talking less than 10 000. This is out of an increased membership from 150 000 to around 600 000. There were 400 000 members in 1997, it is reasonable to assume many of these returned. Before the surge, Corbyn won 150 CLP nominations, with Burnham and Cooper around 110 each. Kendall less than 20. The support for Corbyn was consistent across all groups of members.
In any case, to describe mostly dedicated decent people as 'red-fascists' is meaningless and insulting.

'Labour is now an overtly fascist party'. Again you have no understanding of what the term fascist means.

To say Ken Loach engaged in holocaust denial is an offensive lie. Loach in a letter to the Guardian:

You recently published an attack on me and others by Jonathan Freedland (theguardian.com, 27 September) suggesting we were in part responsible for Labour’s “dark place”. In particular, it was alleged that I gave “spurious legitimacy” to Holocaust denial. Can I at least make one thing clear? In a BBC interview, where speech overlapped, my words have been twisted to suggest that I think it is acceptable to question the reality of the Holocaust. I do not. The Holocaust is as real a historical event as the second world war itself and not to be challenged. In Primo Levi’s words: “Those who deny Auschwitz would be ready to remake it.” The terrible pictures I first saw as a nine-year-old are ingrained on my memory, as they are for all my generation. Like readers of this paper, I know the history of Holocaust denial, its place in far right politics and the role of people like David Irving. To imply that I would have anything in common with them is contemptible. There are many, Jews and non-Jews alike, who challenge Freedland’s judgment on the allegations of antisemitism. The Jewish Socialists’ Group wrote “accusations of antisemitism are being weaponised to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party”. My full response is available online at the website of Jewish Voice for Labour

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...locaust-denial

Re Corbyn approval etc, you will see after 3rd May the people will have spoken. Only a matter of time before Jeremy Corbyn is elected Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I think that thought is probably more painful for you than it is joyous for me.

The attacks on Ken Loach are pretty disgraceful. I doubt I would support a labour party that had no place for Ken Loach (or his like, if there are any)

Hard to believe even the most extreme fantasist would think Jo Cox's murder and the Manchester bombing were state conspiracies - Step forward a labour election candidate Tomj Mandy Richards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43868927

Predictably she tried to cover he own gross stupidity by playing the race card.

Ken Loach did not engage in Holocaust denial but he made a number of anti-Semitic comments. I'm not sure he deserves a permanent expulsion but party leadership should repudiate his comments and he certainly shouldn't make any more official party videos.

Any link/cliffs to the comments?

Loach, when asked by the BBC's Daily Politics interviewer whether he believed that the fact that the Holocaust happened was a fit subject for discussion, replied, 'History is for all us to discuss... even...' -- then realised what he was about to say and stopped saying it before he gave the game away. In the same interview he sought to imply that claims of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party were all a Zionist plot against Corbyn.



This did not go down well.

http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/2459...mitism-problem

Loach later claimed in one statement that his own words somehow did not reflect his views, and then in a letter to the Guardian he admitted that the Holocaust is indeed an historical fact but claimed that the BBC interviewer was talking across him and 'twisting' his words, which demonstrably did not in fact happen.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Cul...-denial-507502

And here's Ken Loach defending Ken Livingstone's 'Hitler was a Zionist' claim, and lying a bit about the Kasztner Train (which is one of his obsessions, and he's got into trouble over that before) and insisting it's all a 'witch-hunt'.



And, of course, Loach says that all Labour MPs who joined our protest in Parliament Square must be deselected and 'kicked out'.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8299651.html

Meanwhile the BNP's last serving councillor has defected to support Corbyn's Labour, like former BNP leader Nick Griffin.



This is why the BNP, UKIP and the EDL don't exist any more. They've all joined Corbyn's Labour, because they know fascism when they see it and that's what they like.

This morning 40 Labour MPs, including Jess Phillips and Luciana Berger, seen here, had to bodyguard Ruth Smeeth MP to the disciplinary hearing against Corbyn's friend Marc Wadsworth at Party HQ. Wadsworth is the individual who, at the presentation of the Chakrabarti report on anti-Semitism in the party, accused Smeeth of being an agent of sinister powers. Corbyn was filmed congratulating Wadsworth for his performance afterwards. Party HQ this morning was picketed by Corbynistas including Tony Greenstein, expelled for anti-Semitism. The MPs were not escorting Smeeth simply as a show of support but for her physical security. Labour is now an overtly fascist party.



At the hearing, Corbyn's friend and ally Wadsworth was defended by Corbyn's friend and ally Chris Williamson MP, acting as a character witness. Williamson is a paid presenter for Putin's Russia Today and claims that British intelligence was responsible for the chemical-weapons attack on the Skripals in Salisbury and also for the chemical-weapons attack on civilians in Douma, Syria.

James Susskind, an ex aide to Ed Milliband has written a letter explaining why he is leaving Labour, calling it the 'foremost platform for antisemitism in British public life'

https://twitter.com/jamiesusskind/st...98922709798912

There might well be more but after a quick google search I can only find one elected representative of UKIP who has joined Labour while there is no shortage joining the Tories including mass defections such as, seven Great Yarmouth councillors, three in Plymouth and two in Jaywick.


Tomj is going to be sorely missed in this thread if only to provide balance.

where's tomj gone?

Corbyn's magnetism to anti-Semites should alarm Labour supporters (and all good human beings) but to suggest UKIP's decline is due to this, rather than say, the referendum result, is wrong. The idea that the BNP will flock to vote for Diane Abbott as Home Secretary is dubious.

It's a real problem. Unsuprising people who are anti-semetic are also generally anti-Israel and will be drawn towards a party that is opposed to Isreal's actions with regards to the Palestinians

That doesn't imply that people who are opposed to Isreal's policies in this area are anti-semetic.