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06-18-2017 , 04:58 PM
For this Queens Speech coming on Wednesday, if you were a Tory MP would you vote for a deal that jeopardizes the good friday agreement? Or would you put principles before power?
06-18-2017 , 05:17 PM
Most Tory MPs don't have much in the way of principle.
06-18-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Most MPs don't have any principle.
fyp
06-18-2017 , 05:19 PM
You are right of course but there is a chance this could get voted down? I don't know. It surely sits uneasily with some of them.
06-18-2017 , 05:28 PM
June marks the end of May

06-18-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
Spoiler:
06-18-2017 , 05:41 PM
That headline is amazing considering the headlines only 10 days ago or whatever it was.

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06-18-2017 , 05:51 PM
shopped obv

'she is killing democracy' lol
06-18-2017 , 06:06 PM
Sky reporting a different front page I am disappoint
06-18-2017 , 06:21 PM
Re - Tory-DUP agreement

i) Saying Tories can't form a coalition with the DUP seems deeply undemocratic. Surely on matters affecting all of the United Kingdom anyone who can win a vote of confidence should get to govern?

ii) Those who have a problem with the Tory-DUP deal but no issue with Scots voted in Westerminster on issues devolved to Holyrood are full of ****. Tories have a significant majority on England/Wales related budget issues.

iii) The Tory-DUP alliance is nonetheless concerning. In the short term I favour discussions with Sinn Fein & the SDLP to gauge any "red lines". Ideally the DUP would agree supply and confidence in return for Northern Ireland specific bribes like new roads in both Unionist and Republican areas. Any bribe which favours Unionists over Republicans is unacceptable.

iv) In the long term the UK needs constitutional reform. Scots voting on devolved issues is absolute b.s. Excess Scottish and Welsh representation in Westminster is b.s. Agreeing a coalition deal with a sectarian party is b.s. I favour wider regional devolution (9 regions of England, N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland). Each region would have a parliament with the same, mutually agreed upon devolved powers regarding tax and spending. N. Ireland would have the same deal as the other 11 regions with special provisions to comply with the GFA. This would resolve the West Lothian question.
06-18-2017 , 06:42 PM
Regrettably tis fake
Apologies

Torygraph leading with Davies to be interim leader though
06-18-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Re - Tory-DUP agreement

i) Saying Tories can't form a coalition with the DUP seems deeply undemocratic. Surely on matters affecting all of the United Kingdom anyone who can win a vote of confidence should get to govern?
Nobody is saying they "can't" as clearly they could do it if they wanted to - that's why everyone (including high profile tories like John Major) is worried about it. It's more what it would be in breach of if it did

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In the short term I favour discussions with Sinn Fein & the SDLP to gauge any "red lines".
Sinn Fein went to Downing Street the other day to meet with the PM where they unequivocally told her doing a deal with the DUP would breach the Good Friday agreement.

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Gerry Adams tells Theresa May DUP deal puts her in breach of Good Friday Agreement
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7792171.html
06-18-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
Torygraph leading with Davies to be interim leader though
Probably why shes slipping on betfair to be the prime minister after election I guess. Either that your fake DM is doing the rounds on twitter as we speak
06-18-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
Re - Tory-DUP agreement

i) Saying Tories can't form a coalition with the DUP seems deeply undemocratic. Surely on matters affecting all of the United Kingdom anyone who can win a vote of confidence should get to govern?

ii) Those who have a problem with the Tory-DUP deal but no issue with Scots voted in Westerminster on issues devolved to Holyrood are full of ****. Tories have a significant majority on England/Wales related budget issues.

iii) The Tory-DUP alliance is nonetheless concerning. In the short term I favour discussions with Sinn Fein & the SDLP to gauge any "red lines". Ideally the DUP would agree supply and confidence in return for Northern Ireland specific bribes like new roads in both Unionist and Republican areas. Any bribe which favours Unionists over Republicans is unacceptable.

iv) In the long term the UK needs constitutional reform. Scots voting on devolved issues is absolute b.s. Excess Scottish and Welsh representation in Westminster is b.s. Agreeing a coalition deal with a sectarian party is b.s. I favour wider regional devolution (9 regions of England, N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland). Each region would have a parliament with the same, mutually agreed upon devolved powers regarding tax and spending. N. Ireland would have the same deal as the other 11 regions with special provisions to comply with the GFA. This would resolve the West Lothian question.
I like how in paragraph i you whined that people complaining about the Tories allying with ****ing domestic terrorists were "undemocratic" but by paragraph iv you were advocating for disenfranchising people who might vote to increase your da's taxes.

You aren't a bright boy, son, you're a upper class twit. Never ****ing forget it.
06-18-2017 , 08:03 PM
I strongly disagree with many of David Davis's views but he's one of the more independent minded and less partisan MPs. Much better than total **** Boris. He's a vastly superior performer than Theresa May. He strongly opposed tuition fees so it would be interesting to see if the Tories matched Labour's pledge if there was another election (or even in this parliament?).
06-18-2017 , 08:38 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

Last edited by PartyGirlUK; 06-18-2017 at 08:39 PM. Reason: This was outside a mosque.
06-19-2017 , 01:20 AM
Just down the road from us. Let's see if it gets any attention from our far right cousins across the pond.
06-19-2017 , 01:37 AM
Eye witness accounts have described the assailant as a caucasian male, so I guess that would make him mentally ill and not a terrorist:



06-19-2017 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
He strongly opposed tuition fees so it would be interesting to see if the Tories matched Labour's pledge if there was another election (or even in this parliament?).
I doubt the Tories will match the Labour pledge on tuition fees as it wins them pretty much zero votes in the 18-25 demographic, although I can imagine a few parents seeing the Tories as a sensible compromise.

I'd guess the Tories will just try to shore up their core vote. Something like abolishing all care home fees and care at home. They could even pay for it by increasing taxes on anyone earning over £80k, as it's not like that will lose them any votes, as the very rich are never going to be dumb enough to vote for Corbyn.
06-19-2017 , 03:59 AM
The conspiracy theories in this thread are laughable. The advice to stay in the flats, the lack of an alarm system that alerted all residents would all have been the best approach - if the fire had remained contained as it was supposed to. The one issue was the chimney effect due to the cladding.

Also laughable to say they should have changed the advice about staying put - once it was clear that people should have got out it was too late. Having people die on the stairwell doesn't help, they were waiting to be rescued by firefighters and many were.
06-19-2017 , 04:06 AM
Another bloody dick in a van.
06-19-2017 , 06:06 AM
Lucky he isn't dead. Was pinned down and getting beat until the imam intervened.
06-19-2017 , 09:48 AM
..so do they have a dup deal or what
06-19-2017 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
..so do they have a dup deal or what
At the time of writing, no.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797981.html
06-19-2017 , 06:11 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40330159

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A fake Daily Mail front cover went viral after fooling thousands of people, including journalists and politicians.

      
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