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02-25-2014 , 06:58 AM

#126

ISilly_DurrrAK

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02-25-2014 , 10:48 AM

#127

miajag

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Quote:

Originally Posted by campfirewest

Why, because Merkel and Obama will wag their fingers at them?

02-27-2014 , 01:18 PM

#128

BluffsOften

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Some crazy stuff: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...html?hpt=hp_c2

I feel like I'm watching the French Revolution live.

wow the chick in this is smokin

02-27-2014 , 05:01 PM

#129

suzzer99

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Turn off safe search and google Ukranian women naked

02-28-2014 , 12:37 PM

#130

Cornboy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

How long before Russia sends their army to Ukraine?

4 days could be a winner here.

Unknown armed men control Crimea airport, could be Russian Army.

Quote:

Nobody yet knows the identities of the armed men who seized control of Simferopol airport.

But their equipment, their vehicles and their behaviour all signal that this is a trained military unit, not a rag-tag group of pro-Russian loyalists.

"These men look like a formed and organised body of troops. They appear to be disciplined, confident and uniformly dressed and equipped," says Brigadier Ben Barry, a land warfare expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.
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All we know is that what looks to be a military unit has secured the airport in Simferopol, the Crimean regional capital.

02-28-2014 , 12:59 PM

#131

STA654

Here's some straight talk

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=283721670

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AP journalists in Crimea have spotted a convoy of nine Russian armored personnel carriers and a truck on a road between the port city of Sevastopol and the regional capital, Sinferopol.

The Russian tricolor flags were painted on the vehicles, which were parked on the side of the road near the town of Bakhchisarai, apparently because one of them had mechanical problems.

Russia is supposed to notify Ukraine of any troop movements outside the naval base it maintains in Sevastopol under a lease agreement with Ukraine.

Mother Russia gonna

02-28-2014 , 01:42 PM

#132

Namath12

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Is it "Ukraine" or "THE Ukraine?" I've heard it both ways but it can't be both. This needs to be resolved today.

02-28-2014 , 01:50 PM

#133

yeSpiff

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashington

Is it "Ukraine" or "THE Ukraine?" I've heard it both ways but it can't be both. This needs to be resolved today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yeSpiff

Country is called "Ukraine". "The Ukraine" was a Russian province.

02-28-2014 , 07:04 PM

#134

Imaginary F(r)iend

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Yeah Russia showing its true colors. This is really, really scary.

I don't think there's much to say, just check your favorite news source :P There's a full fledged invasion going on Crimea. Closing airspace, cutting communications, movement of troops...

Time to join NATO.

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02-28-2014 , 07:19 PM

#135

goofyballer

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Who had their money on Ukraine being a flashpoint for WW3 six months ago?

02-28-2014 , 07:29 PM

#136

yeSpiff

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Who had their money on Ukraine being a flashpoint for WW3 six months ago?

The global corporate imperialists?

02-28-2014 , 07:37 PM

#137

seattlelou

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Fascinating stuff. I thought I saw the end of the cold war maybe it was just a pause.

02-28-2014 , 07:40 PM

#138

STA654

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CNN:

Quote:

Russian military forces -- believed by the United States to be land forces -- arrive uncontested by air at a Russian base in Crimea.

DAFUQ YOU DOING PUTIN. I HAVE A COUPLE OF GOOD MONTHS AND YOU GO AND WW3 IT UP?

02-28-2014 , 07:45 PM

#139

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re Crimea: Russian forces routinely operate inside Ukraine because of a russian naval base.. it seems.

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-28-2014 at 07:47 PM. Reason: not following the news, just some journo tweets

02-28-2014 , 08:13 PM

#140

lozen

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Dear USA

You invaded Iraq on false pretenses now you preach to Russia.

Quote:

Fascinating stuff. I thought I saw the end of the cold war maybe it was just a pause.

US will not go in if they will not go into Syria why the Ukraine?

02-28-2014 , 08:16 PM

#141

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Originally Posted by lozen

Dear USA

You invaded Iraq on false pretenses now you preach to Russia.

That doesn't justify Russia's actions a one bit.

02-28-2014 , 08:16 PM

#142

seattlelou

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We won't go into the Ukraine but that isn't a prerequisite for a rekindling of a cold war. It is being reported that Russia has control of the Crimea.

02-28-2014 , 08:18 PM

#143

Andro

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Originally Posted by yeSpiff

re Crimea: Russian forces routinely operate inside Ukraine because of a russian naval base.. it seems.

Yeah, they have the Black Sea Fleet.

02-28-2014 , 08:22 PM

#144

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Relax guys

02-28-2014 , 08:23 PM

#145

yeSpiff

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Originally Posted by yeSpiff

The global corporate imperialists?

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Corporate imperialism aims to break the national spirit. The few remaining sovereign nations are the final obstacles to the looming threat of a global transnational corporate empire. Corporate imperialism’s only concern is the bottom line: it is on a permanent quest to maximize profit. It is not about bringing the supposed gift of civilization to savages anymore, unlike the old-fashioned imperialist adventures.
Iraq, then applied to Libya, Egypt. Now, Syria, Ukraine, Mali, Central African Republic, Venezuela and the entire Middle East.

*Interesting points of view, imo

Last edited by yeSpiff; 02-28-2014 at 08:24 PM. Reason: lol RT

02-28-2014 , 08:31 PM

#146

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lozen

Dear USA

You invaded Iraq on false pretenses now you preach to Russia.

US will not go in if they will not go into Syria why the Ukraine?

TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOL

02-28-2014 , 09:27 PM

#147

seattlelou

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Any idea how the US will react? Not attending the G-8 seems so weak.

02-28-2014 , 09:29 PM

#148

Turn Prophet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lozen

Dear USA

You invaded Iraq on false pretenses now you preach to Russia.

US will not go in if they will not go into Syria why the Ukraine?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOL

I think it's a serious question.

Much as I decry Putin and Russia trampling all over Ukrainian democracy, I have to ask:
(1) What, realistically, can the US do? We sure as hell aren't risking war with Russia over Ukraine. Sorry, Ukraine, you should have had more oil.
(2) After countless interventions in Latin America (and other less local countries), the rest of the world has to take anything the US says about superpower relations with neighbors with a hefty grain of salt.

Putin gonna Putin.