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Old 11-16-2010, 12:55 PM   #176
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Re: The TSA - Fondling your junk, for safety

This is the stuff I'm talking about. This is your 15 year old daughter(potentially NSFW scan image):

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That's cool with you, right?
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Old 11-16-2010, 12:58 PM   #177
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Has anyone mentioned yet that muslim women are pretty much exempt from these searches as well?
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so your source is the head of the CAIR and cnsnews?

what you're reading is what the CAIR is telling muslim women to say and/or claim during a pat down.

Nowhere does it say the TSA will comply - essentially it is the same as me sending out a memo that says "I recommend that if your 15 year old daughter is going to get a pat down - you should tell the TSA that they are only allowed to search her toes"
The kicker line of the article 27offsuit linked to:

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Add this to the growing proof that political correctness is not merely totalitarian but suicidal. The president made an exception to airline security protocol big enough to drive a jihad through — and applied it only to the adherents of Islam. Roman Catholic nuns can be groped en masse, but Obama rushed to defend the dignity of Muslim women.

Luckily, Muslim terrorists have no history of using female suicide bombers or hiding explosives in their underwear.

Consider this just another reason why one-in-four Americans believe Obama is a Muslim.
Also, the "exemption" scenario CAIR describes is when someone wearing a hjiab goes through the metal detector and it doesn't go off -- then the person should remind TSA not to touch their goodies.

Completely unsurprising that CAIR writing Muslim women wearing a hijab should remind TSA to only touch their head or neck if they weren't flagged for additional screening pre-security line and if they go through a metal detector and it doesn't go off made its way through the right wing retard factories and came out as "Muslim women are exempt, thanks Obama, this is why we're suspicious you're a Muslen"
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:00 PM   #178
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This is the stuff I'm talking about. This is your 15 year old daughter(potentially NSFW scan image):

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That's cool with you, right?
pretty sure this is a trap
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:03 PM   #179
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I actually think the scanners could be useful. Like in a situation where they would normally do a strip search they could do a virtual one instead. But subjecting random people or, at some airports, everyone to virtual strip searches without cause is ridiculous.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:04 PM   #180
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Profanity filter circumvention ban please.
asking for ban ban please.

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Edit: or is that just in some (sub)forums on this site you can't ask for a ban? In that case, attempted (bad?) joke is even worse.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:05 PM   #181
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This is the stuff I'm talking about. This is your 15 year old daughter(potentially NSFW scan image):

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That's cool with you, right?
I was thinking that if the sobriquet "child porn machines" could somehow get attached to these, that might shift a lot of people's thinking.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:11 PM   #182
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^this.

Its called gradualism. Only a matter of time before there's a bomb/bombscare at a football game and these are introduced. Hello Police state.They need to be stopped now.
I've always heard the term as incrementalism and I think I like that a little better. Both convey the idea fairly well but with the latter term I think its easier to picture a tortoise or other such slow moving animal inching their way along to tyranny.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:13 PM   #183
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Seriously, if you were a peeping Tom voyeur type wouldn't TSA be your dream job?
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:13 PM   #184
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A DMV in the city is worse. More lines, more unsurliness... no bookstores or snackbars.
When I moved to Nevada I knew I was in trouble when there was in fact a snack bar in the DMV waiting area.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:29 PM   #185
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how is this not posted yet?

http://gizmodo.com/5690749/

a bunch of scans from people from a Florida courthouse where 35k images were apparently saved
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:35 PM   #186
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how is this not posted yet?

http://gizmodo.com/5690749/

a bunch of scans from people from a Florida courthouse where 35k images were apparently saved
drrrruuuudddggeeee

For one, that's not TSA, contrary to Drudge's headline (it's the US Marshalls pictures from courthouse security. US Marshalls are part of the DoJ. TSA is part of DHS. Different federal department yo).

Second, imo, those pictures are hardly bawdy. That's some low resolution **** right there. I can't imagine there are any pervs getting off to this. The image on the right is far more, uh, revealing.

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Old 11-16-2010, 01:40 PM   #187
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Perfect example of how some people will believe anything if it fits their preconceived notions
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:41 PM   #188
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A couple interesting links:

Sheppard Smith makes some interesting points

and this

TSA now probing Junk Guy

and obv Junk Guy looks just like I'd expect Junk Guy to look:
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:54 PM   #189
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Ironically, had the underwear bomber successfully detonated his bomb and the plane crashed, and all aboard were killed, it's unlikely that the pat-downs would be so invasive now because it's unlikely that the investigation would have revealed that the explosives were in his underwear.

It could be argued that his failed terrorist attempt is having a larger impact on citizens than if it had been successful.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:56 PM   #190
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dvaut,

the point is all of these machines they claim do not save/store images. this has been proven over and over again to not be the case and you are being outright lied to.
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:21 PM   #191
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dvaut,

the point is all of these machines they claim do not save/store images. this has been proven over and over again to not be the case and you are being outright lied to.
Well, the government required the manufacturer to add a feature allowing images to be saved but the TSA says they will never use that feature.
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:35 PM   #192
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If I ever get the full treatment at airport security, I'm totally going to start making sex noises.
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:39 PM   #193
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dvaut,

the point is all of these machines they claim do not save/store images. this has been proven over and over again to not be the case and you are being outright lied to.
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Well, the government required the manufacturer to add a feature allowing images to be saved but the TSA says they will never use that feature.
Yeah. From the TSA back in August:

http://epic.org/privacy/airtravel/ba...eply_House.pdf

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The AIT program meets this commitment through TSA's screening protocol that ensures complete anonymity for passengers undergoing AIT scans. TSA has not deviated from these operational protocols, which were first published in a Privacy Impact Assessment (PIA) in January 2008 before any devices in the AIT pilot went' into operation. That PIA, and every PIA update since, states, "[w]hile the equipment has the capability of collecting and storing an image, the image storage functions will be disabled by the manufacturer before the devices are placed in an airport and will not have the capability to be activated by operators."
TSA <> US Marshalls

I don't think there's any evidence that TSA has stored the images. Maybe that have, who knows? ... but it's two different branches of the federal government. What gizmodo is highlighting is a courthouse security scanner -- operated by the US Marshall -- scanning images and saving them. What everyone is up in arms about are the TSA procedures; TSA claims that the equipment has the capability to save and transmit, but they don't use it.

snagglepuss -- if you don't like this policy, it's important to make your claims correct and have your details straight. I don't like the policy, and I'd prefer my opposition not be sullied with "Al Qaeda didn't have anything to do with 9/11" and a crude claim about how "all these machines can't save images, but it's been proven that they do over and over, we're being lied to".
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:45 PM   #194
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Disgusting.

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Michael J. Aguilar, chief of the TSA office in San Diego, called a news conference at the airport Monday afternoon to announce the probe. He said the investigation could lead to prosecution and civil penalties of up to $11,000.

TSA agents had told Tyner on Saturday that he could be fined up to $10,000.

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Just in case anybody else was thinking of refusing and then making a fuss and going home.

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“The bottom line is, if somebody doesn’t go through proper security screening, they’re not going to go on the flight,” Pistole said.
While I understand this, the problem I have is that they wouldn't let him leave, and now are gonna "follow up" on him. If they had just told him he couldn't fly and let him leave and refund his money, then there's less of an issue.

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And even though there are 10 full-body scanners stationed throughout San Diego’s airport, it is rare to see more than one in operation in a security area. The TSA staff does not yet have enough trained people to operate them, Aguilar said.

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Old 11-16-2010, 02:56 PM   #195
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While I understand this, the problem I have is that they wouldn't let him leave, and now are gonna "follow up" on him. If they had just told him he couldn't fly and let him leave and refund his money, then there's less of an issue.
But the terrrurorists will just try to board a plane, if they get screened, refuse and go home. If not, DEATH TO AMERICA!!!!
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:56 PM   #196
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Some nameless TSA insider basically told some reporter that the hand pat downs were designed to be invasive and uncomfortable, to discourage people from opt'ing out of the body scanners.

It's also not a surprise they are going after the junk guy in San Diego, he's become very high profile and the poster boy for defying the system, they want to send a message as to what will happen if you do.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:01 PM   #197
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Some nameless TSA insider basically told some reporter that the hand pat downs were designed to be invasive and uncomfortable, to discourage people from opt'ing out of the body scanners.

It's also not a surprise they are going after the junk guy in San Diego, he's become very high profile and the poster boy for defying the system, they want to send a message as to what will happen if you do.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:05 PM   #198
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Some nameless TSA insider basically told some reporter that the hand pat downs were designed to be invasive and uncomfortable, to discourage people from opt'ing out of the body scanners.

It's also not a surprise they are going after the junk guy in San Diego, he's become very high profile and the poster boy for defying the system, they want to send a message as to what will happen if you do.
Naturally. This **** really needs to be stopped.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:10 PM   #199
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left and right coming together! Can i get an amen!
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nah man we're all ****ed
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