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Old 11-15-2010, 07:15 PM   #101
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???

let the record show that Brian J is not white
So? You're openly advocating for certain American citizens to have less of a right to the privacy of their genitals than you do because some other people who looked like them did something bad once.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:23 PM   #102
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Curious how many "would be" terrorists, hijackers, bombers have been caught/stopped since 2001 in our airports by the TSA? I can't think of one report but I know plenty have slipped by.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:25 PM   #103
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But had there not been additional screening, scores of terrorists would have gone pouring through the weak-assed pre-9/11 screening, killing us all. Now, our security is so good they don't even try.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:33 PM   #104
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It's all true.
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:57 PM   #105
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So? You're openly advocating for certain American citizens to have less of a right to the privacy of their genitals than you do because some other people who looked like them did something bad once.
lol oh i get it profiling only means race to you! like every good white liberal you immediately think about us poor minorities. can i give you a white guilt absolution card or something? i mean is reality in your fantasy land that if we had profiling it means the white chick in your example would be automatically excluded, that she would be scott free to commit a terrorist act? does it occur to you that she could do some things or have things in her background that make her one of the ones that gets further screening? and where did you come up with this american citizen addition?


edit: sorry for assuming you are white, simply returning the favor
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:00 PM   #106
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edit: just wanted to add - I don't put this at the feet of Obama - or at the feet of democrats - I put it at the feet of an incompetent government organization that doesn't think it's a big deal to stamp on people's rights and freedoms - there is no thinking going on here.
Trampeling on your freedoms??? Really ???? By what subjecting you to a full body search??? Nobody is making you fly, if it offends you drive or find other transportation. Its for your protection, if you dont have anything to hide dont worry about, I would hardly call it seeing someone naked, have any of you even seen the images???? I find it laughable that people consider this infringing on your rights, your being asked to be subject to a screening that can see potential devices behind your clothes, if you refuse this you get patted down, Big ****ing deal
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:14 PM   #107
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So is Al Qaeda fake? Or just their claim to knocking down the twin towers?


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Because there's a containment thread for people like you.
except for, you know, the whole fact that there isn't any evidence that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al-qaeda/taliban.

but im sure you have some! and are very informed all about everything! those crazy kooks are crazier than a coconut

but hey, lets not let reality get in the way of ignorance. that might interfere with being an INTERNET BADASS


re: TSA

flying out to vegas around the end of the month. fly all the time but haven't experienced the heightened pat-downs yet. not sure if the new scanning machines are at my airport yet. in the event that they are i am going to decline using them, and instruct the employee to not molest me and plan to film any difficulty. i may stay still have a mustache
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:22 PM   #108
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This is the stuff that I think leads everyone to believe you've just got a weird fixation on defending this stuff; "a few conservatives"? "Nit-picking?" "weak evidence"? Sounds all like hand-wavy apolgetics to me, in the guise of moral outrage about my conduct.

As I said, if this is just weak nit picking of a few conservatives, I'll ask again, for like the fifth time: which right wingers am I not accounting for? Whose views am I not taking into account here? ACCEPTING THE PREMISE I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU OR RON PAUL.

Can I add that as a signature to my posts. Like I want a line at the end of every single one of my politics posts that reads "Assume I am not talking about Ron Paul or taso unless otherwise explicitly referenced" just to avoid taso's assumptions I'm talking about him or his heros.
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Stop acting like this is a fringe political position that dvaut is attacking. These are the conservative leaders today: Palin, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Oreilly. Look at the newseek $ numbers. Look at the type of people winning primaries. Hannity and Malkin's discussion is the exact reasoning the vast majority of conservatives use, the polls/quotes are out there! This is not analogous to claiming liberals want to ban violent video games because Joe Lieberman said so. If you can't criticize members of a group based on the public figures they align themselves with then what's the point of party affiliation anyway?
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Once again, a majority of republican congressmen voted against using the scanners as a primary method of screening.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:56 PM   #109
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You all know I'm pretty conservative, but I'm on the "this is going way too far" side of this argument. It's a pretty blatant violation of the 4th amendment too.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:01 PM   #110
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You all know I'm pretty conservative, but I'm on the "this is going way too far" side of this argument. It's a pretty blatant violation of the 4th amendment too.
i think what you mean to say is "Only muslims should be treated this way, treating white people this way is wrong. Damn Obama and Napolitano is a lesbo so I hate her for that too!"

amirite dvaut?
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:10 PM   #111
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i think what you mean to say is "Only muslims should be treated this way, treating white people this way is wrong. Damn Obama and Napolitano is a lesbo so I hate her for that too!"

amirite dvaut?
hint: dvaut agrees with you on the actual issue. that's where the frustration is coming from.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:13 PM   #112
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Trampeling on your freedoms??? Really ???? By what subjecting you to a full body search??? Nobody is making you fly, if it offends you drive or find other transportation. Its for your protection, if you dont have anything to hide dont worry about, I would hardly call it seeing someone naked, have any of you even seen the images???? I find it laughable that people consider this infringing on your rights, your being asked to be subject to a screening that can see potential devices behind your clothes, if you refuse this you get patted down, Big ****ing deal
Whatever the opposite of QFT is.

Particularly the bolded part.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:16 PM   #113
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i think what you mean to say is "Only muslims should be treated this way, treating white people this way is wrong. Damn Obama and Napolitano is a lesbo so I hate her for that too!"

amirite dvaut?
Oh yeah another meme that I just imagined, completely and unnecessarily. The right is never wink-wink dog whistling that Napolitano is a pervy lesbo just trying to peep at boobies with her nekkid scanners:



Frankly calling this dog whistling is being generous. As fly says, this is just flat out whistling.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:18 PM   #114
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btw before we grant taso's sarcastic response as actually and genuinely sarcastic, jthegreat should candidly tell us his position on racial profiling and if he's comfortable with the uhh, "heightened" security measures for people who fit certain demographic profiles.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:21 PM   #115
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btw before we grant taso's sarcastic response as actually and genuinely sarcastic, jthegreat should candidly tell us his position on racial profiling and if he's comfortable with the uhh, "heightened" security measures for people who fit certain demographic profiles.
No genital fondling or naked pictures of anyone.
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:24 PM   #116
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except for, you know, the whole fact that there isn't any evidence that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al-qaeda/taliban.
you're in the wrong thread
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Old 11-15-2010, 09:45 PM   #117
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I mean, for Christ's sake, it wasn't that long ago that The Corner was accusing the NY Times of committing treason for writing stories about warrantless wiretapping.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:04 PM   #118
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btw before we grant taso's sarcastic response as actually and genuinely sarcastic, jthegreat should candidly tell us his position on racial profiling and if he's comfortable with the uhh, "heightened" security measures for people who fit certain demographic profiles.
i'm not going to lie, the moment between reading your post and his answer was quite nerve racking.

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So the problem btw with your posting (and with liberals and their hilarious ideology in general) is that you use words like "The right" and give that collective association responsibility for claiming that Napolitano is a pervy lesbo etcetc. Certainly some incredibly small minority on the right have made that claim, but to apply that to "the Right" is incredibly stupid. And somehow you don't understand why Keith Olbermann's and Maddow's claims should now fairly be applied to "the Left", thereby making that entire association of individuals responsibility for the words of two morons.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:34 PM   #119
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lol oh i get it profiling only means race to you! like every good white liberal you immediately think about us poor minorities. can i give you a white guilt absolution card or something? i mean is reality in your fantasy land that if we had profiling it means the white chick in your example would be automatically excluded, that she would be scott free to commit a terrorist act? does it occur to you that she could do some things or have things in her background that make her one of the ones that gets further screening? and where did you come up with this american citizen addition?


edit: sorry for assuming you are white, simply returning the favor
You mentioned race yourself:

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the typical conservative claim on talk radio goes something like this: "i saw a TSA agent making an old lady get out of a wheelchair to be frisked and then a guy with a long beard and turban walks right through."

you can ad the "scary dark narrative" to it, whatever, that's your normal fall back and it's you adding that. To me and others its about assigning risk to the groups who are most prone to be doing whatever it is you are supposed to be screening for and whatever their nationality, skin color or religion then who gives a flying ****. Now does that make me or you more obsessed with race?
Don't accuse me of "playing the race card" like it's out of the blue, when you are talking about more screening for groups based on risk, and the kinds of groups you mention as potentially being higher risk are national, racial, or religious groups.

So, yes. Profiling does mean race, to you.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:35 PM   #120
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lol i remember that snip from Drudge but that entire lesbo perv thing never once occurred to me. I have never even seen or heard anywhere anything about her sexual preferences. Hell plenty of republicans love lesbians! I see it now though that i'm supposed to look for it...
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They accused Reno of being a lesbian, too.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:40 PM   #122
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Grunch :

Even though I think the TSA is absolute ********, I think the guy's attitude is really really retarded.

If you want to call the TSA out on their ******** then please do so (it really isn't that hard) but the "if you touch my junk, I'm going to have you arrested" line and his whole "this would be illegal if it wasn't the government" are so insanely idiotic that I really don't feel much sympathy for the guy.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:41 PM   #123
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I guess I should clarify that if the TSA wants to pay more attention to "Muslim-looking" people over cameras or whatever, I have no problem with that. It's probably not more effective, but it's also not a violation of anyone's rights. But again, no fondling or naked pictures.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:46 PM   #124
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you are talking about more screening for groups based on risk, and the kinds of groups you mention as potentially being higher risk are national, racial, or religious groups.

So, yes. Profiling does mean race, to you.
profiling means lots of factors and yes, I am saying what country you are from can be a factor. I don't care which race is predominant. It's simply a matter of numbers. Again, when the Mexicans start making the majority of threats and attacks then i would expect the fact that I am one would trigger something. I would expect however, that other factors considered in the profiling would make it clear i am not a threat and not a heightened risk.

Look i find it interesting that on the one hand i hear over and over again that terrorist attacks are so rare as to not warrant heightened security then on the other hand in response to profiling you go to the "but what if they use a white girl." Like if a terrorist attack is so rare then surely one by a white girl is like super mega retardedly remote right?

i find it interesting i've involved myself in this since i agree the risk of attack is too rare overall to warrant this false show of security. I want the profiling to occur before people get to the airport and i want people that are clean on an all clear list regardless of race and religion. the notion that you need to screen and randomly search everyone for PC's sake is stupid.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:51 PM   #125
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Putting obvious holes in security simply incentivizes attacking those very holes. If all white women were allowed to go through security unchecked, do you honestly think that doesn't affect the probability of a terrorist attack from a white woman? They've already got to get someone to kill themselves, why not go the extra mile to find a white woman to make getting through security that much easier.
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