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02-28-2017 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The Indian dudes getting popped by a stranger is a HUGE story in India, that sort of atmosphere makes Euro Disney maybe a more attractive option for a middle class family of brown people.
You go to Toronto or Montreal over Boston/New York. You do Europe instead.
02-28-2017 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
After 9/11 tourism to the USA dropped quite a bit and it took a decade for it to recover to pre 9/11 levels.
11/08 might be a little vague. We'll have to refer to this tragic episode as 11/16.
03-01-2017 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by thethethe
Non-Americans didn't like Bush because of what his administration did.

Wth Trump they dislike his administration, his supporters, and the fact, from the outside at least, your country now looks like a lit powder keg.
I'm not American, I was curious specifically about the data point that the Trump presidency is affecting tourism, I remember well the anecdotal evidence.
03-01-2017 , 02:34 AM
03-01-2017 , 02:32 PM

https://twitter.com/cricketcrocker/s...78408391323649
03-02-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Well, maybe this is anti-semitic then, but Netanyahu may well flatly feel that Isreal's interests are the interests of Jews in or out of Israel. If his policies are in anyway harmful to Jewish life in the US or anywhere else then he may well suggest that Jews should make aliyah. That's a very standard right-wing Jewish way of thinking. It's almost impossible to think of Netanyahu as Israeli first and Jew second. To him they are inseparable.

I will PM Yuv and see if he will comment on this.
Can you simplify the discussion for a Jew? Are you guys asking why Bibi is/acting as pro trump?
03-02-2017 , 09:43 PM
TIL that the single most repeated word around the world for the next year will be "Russiagate". Cool-cool.
03-02-2017 , 10:54 PM
03-02-2017 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I believe he's waving around a Russian gun
03-03-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Yuv
Can you simplify the discussion for a Jew? Are you guys asking why Bibi is/acting as pro trump?
That's what started it anyway. I did suggest that it may be just opportunism as he has a reputation as an opportunist, but I think his side anyway pretty flatly thinks that what is good for Israel is what is best for Jews everywhere.
03-03-2017 , 12:41 AM
Can we start a separate Russiagate thread?
03-03-2017 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Can we start a separate Russiagate thread?
Not sure we need one unless and until there's like > 2 things going on in the Trump presidency at a time.
03-03-2017 , 01:32 AM
Also I tried to start one and it died.
03-03-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
That's what started it anyway. I did suggest that it may be just opportunism as he has a reputation as an opportunist, but I think his side anyway pretty flatly thinks that what is good for Israel is what is best for Jews everywhere.
(tl;dr + you probably know most of it)

This has nothing to do with Jews whatsoever.

Bibi has been using Trump-esque methods to remain in power for over a decade. The rise of Trump is a vindication of sorts for him.

The first part is the media, both his relationship to the mass media outlets and the way he communicates to the people (Bibi very rarely gives interviews).

In the last few years he's been fighting directly with the two major news networks in Israel. This includes extremely personal attacks on one reporter of Channel 10 (Raviv Druker) which he posts (we don't tweet as much) about on a daily basis.
In the past few months he started using "Fake News" in those Facebook posts.

He posts instantly on every event that might be an Islamic terror attack. For example, a few months ago during a week of extreme dry weather, there was a huge number of fires in Israel. Immediately it was dubbed as "Arson Terror" or in more catch name of "Intifiada of Arsoning".
He posted about it repeatedly. Amazingly as the weather changed the fires stopped. Hardly any arrests were made, no indictments.

A year ago there was a strange news report on a gang-rape of a mentally ******ed Jewish girl in Jaffa by a group of Palestinians. Bibi, who has literally never talked about crimes against women, wrote a long post about it. It was later revealed to be a hoax of some sort. Of course he never posted about it being wrong.

There are many many more cases like that. The success of Trump 'proves', in his eyes and those of his followers, that Bibi was right all along about the media.

The 2nd part is the Obama administration. Bibi was treated like **** (rightfully so or not is less relevant) by Obama and Kerry. The butchered relations with the US was something the opposition in Israel repeatedly roasted Bibi on. He took a gamble on the Republican Party (before Trump was the nominee) and he is happily enjoying his winnings now. Trump wins 'proves' back home that he was right all along and it was all part of a plan.

The 3rd part is a mixture of ideology or 'opportunity' if you want to call it that. Bibi's goal is to do nothing. Keeping the status-quo has been his top and only priority from day 1. He builds settlements when the right wing forces him to, he starts low level negotiations when the US/left is forcing him. He doesn't want to do anything. Trump is the perfect president for him. Trump knows nothing about the I/P conflict and couldn't care less about it.

There's some merit to a philosophical debate on whether Bibi actually believe all of that or if it's a clever con he's been running for over a decade. I'm in the 'it doesn't matter and I don't care' camp. So his support for Trump is genuine and correlates with every bit of his world view.

The whole Jewish graveyards thing has been reported in the Media here but to be honest no one really cares. American Jews are viewed in general as leftist elite and you'll here a lot more opinions in the "serves them right for being anti-Israel" area than actual sympathy or worry.

Bibi spent 8 years convincing his large base that Obama is anti-Israel (which is 100% identical to being antisemetic in their view). The opposite of Obama is therefore pro-Israel. For the time being, neither Bibi nor the general opinion here gives a **** about antisemitism.
It's not that the view is that what's good for Israel is good for Jews everywhere. The days of the Joint are kinda over. Simply put, we don't care about you guys.
03-03-2017 , 07:44 AM
Don't know who the guy is, but this Israeli talk show host / comedian signed off his show (final episode) with a pretty strong statement on the Israel - Palestine situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFB9ugm_yfU

If someone cares to imbed, go ahead
03-03-2017 , 07:46 AM
yuv,

i bet you'll all start to care when big daddy starts turning off the faucet or setting new conditions on that few billion $$ of aid we so generously give you every year
03-03-2017 , 10:28 AM
03-03-2017 , 10:50 AM

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...64951678472192
03-03-2017 , 10:52 AM
History of the phrase "Enemy of the People" in different fascist contexts throughout history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_people
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An enemy of the people could be imprisoned, expelled or executed, and lose their property to confiscation. Close relatives of enemies of the people were labeled as "traitor of Motherland family members" and prosecuted. They could be sent to Gulag, punished by the involuntary settlement in unpopulated areas, or stripped of citizen's rights. Being a friend of an enemy of the people automatically placed the person under suspicion.

A significant fraction of the enemies of the people were given this label not because of their hostile actions against the workers' and peasants' state, but simply because of their social origin or profession before the revolution: those who used hired labor, high-ranking clergy, former policemen, merchants, etc. Some of them were commonly known as lishentsy (лишенцы, derived from Russian word лишение, deprivation), because by the Soviet Constitution they were deprived of the right of voting. This automatically translated into a deprivation of various social benefits; some of them, e.g., rationing, were at times critical for survival.

Since 1927, Article 20 of the Common Part of the penal code that listed possible "measures of social defence" had the following item 20a: "declaration to be an enemy of the workers with deprivation of the union republic citizenship and hence of the USSR citizenship, with obligatory expulsion from its territory". Nevertheless, most "enemies of the people" suffered labor camps, rather than expulsion.
03-03-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
yuv,

i bet you'll all start to care when big daddy starts turning off the faucet or setting new conditions on that few billion $$ of aid we so generously give you every year
lol @ the tone of the post. You do realize I wasn't writing what my opinion on Trump or antisemitism is, right?

Israelis think Trump is pro-Israel. Saying they will care if he turn out as not pro-Israel isn't really some pro analysis.

NhlNut, that guy had a late night show on the same channel that Bibi despise so much.
03-03-2017 , 12:01 PM

https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/statu...89920059805696


https://twitter.com/studentactivism/...86659445624832
03-03-2017 , 01:10 PM
Wow. Twitter of the guy accused of the JCC bomb threats.

03-03-2017 , 01:14 PM

https://twitter.com/LailaLalami/stat...08142725091330


https://twitter.com/PamEngel12/statu...05609344651265
03-03-2017 , 01:21 PM
Why do they need to indent like half a paragraph?

      
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