It's already making the rounds on Right social media and political sites.

I mean, crap like this isn't "political". It's douchebags being douches.

This is assault and battery, not political discourse.

Well he had at least showed that socialism isn't the commie bad name people thought it was. And I do think his ideology leans more socialist than democrat hence the term Socialist Democrat?

LeStat,

You posted similarly about welfare before and I posted this Krugman blog

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...rty-trap/?_r=1

which addresses that and refers to a reputable study about how social welfare aid leads to greater opportunities to children and doesn't trap them in poverty.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w18535


And yet, you find the info provided by The Cato Institute, the think tank founded by Charles Koch, about the poverty trap to be irresistible.

Well I done grunched a whole herd of slow ponies there.

I hadn't even gotten to your reply, Lestat, post #1236.

Why not do both?

There seems to be a common misconception that food stamps etc are an asset problem instead of a cash flow problem. When you have a cash flow problem you don't have enough coming in every month, so you need a supplement every month. You can't just substitute textbooks for food for a few years and expect improvement. People still have to eat for those years.

It does give me pause. But my thinking is it has to be more of an all or nothing system because this just doesn't seem to be working for anyone but the top 1%. You want to go socialist? Fine. Just make it fair. You want to go capitalist? That's fine too. As long as the system is fair for all. Take out the career lobbyists and pay to play.

Democratic Socialist is the term he used, but that's pretty vague as the entire spectrum of US politics consists of some kind of Democratic Socialism. But, yeah, a little vague or not, that's what we currently use for the Scandi countries and their strong social safety net and it applies pretty well to Bernie.

If the state doesn't own the means of production it's not socialism imo and Bernie doesn't really advocate for any more state owned production than any other candidate around.

He probably will but I hope he doesn't. This won't end well if it becomes a massive political ordeal and its already blowing up everywhere on the internet. If Trump focuses on this its a mistake. Big mistake.

Those black kids are more troubled than "racist". They are 18 years old and really messed up in the head. Situations like this serve no other purpose than to open the wounds even larger.

But the white people on the right won't let this one slide I fear. Not trying to white wash it since its awful but no good will come from this.

This is weird. I can respect that someone who is an Anarcho-Capitalist means well, is honest and a decent person who believes in a system which could be measured fair by some standards, but still think that their becoming POTUS would be an incredibly bad thing which would probably end up leading to great tragedies, perhaps including violent revolution or the reactionary implementation of a total police state. They may make a decent friend, but I'd rather have LBJ as POTUS who was probably an amoral lying sack of ****.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that Bernie is an honest person among a lot of mostly dishonest people in both parties and because of that I supported him even though I thought some of HRC's policy positions or priorities were better. But being a good guy only counts for so much.

Jesus Christ, that poor kid.

Yeah, this seems weirdly obvious. There is a gop strategy to turn everything into an either/or problem to avoid getting anything done.

I read that. Obviously, everyone needs food. But I don't see education or safer schools and housing addressed. Does this research mean to say more welfare would mean more affordable housing in non crime ridden areas with better and safer schools? I didn't see that mentioned. Was it implied?

My biggest thing is inferior education and fatherless households. I read a study that shows a child growing up out of wedlock (or a fatherless household) is many times more likely to have problems in school and turn to criminality as he ages. This is not a race thing. It runs across ALL races. White kids growing up without father are just as susceptible to turning to a life of crime and ending up in jail as their black counterparts.

So that's what I want to see in these studies and figures. I'm not a puritan. I don't think there aren't mothers who can raise perfectly responsible kids without a father. But it takes much more work AND money! I don't see this talked about enough.

Again, I'm not a sheep that can be herded. I'm unfamiliar with the Cato Institute or what the Koch brothers think or want. I just feel that it starts with equal education. I want to see these kids with the same equal shot at getting a solid education and college opportunities. Increases food stamps while providing them with basic necessities is not enough. It's almost like child support. I had to pay my ex a ton in child support. But she had ZERO responsibility to show that money went to my kids. She could've taken ski trips with it for all I know and feeding my kids Ramon noodles every day. Fortunately, I know she didn't do this, but many mothers do!

I know you're posting a bunch of replies to a bunch of people, but could you clarify "fair" in this context? It would cut off any potential loose tangents.

That'll of course he prosecuted as a hate crime which it shouldn't be imo. It was just sick, ****ed up people saying stupid things while beating a kid who probably didn't have a political opinion made loud and clear for everybody to hear.

Of course Trump supporters are gonna start dropping n-words all over about this thing.

Nobody wants to talk to the dummies who voted for Trumo, that is for death to eventually take care of... people being spoken to are the ones who didn't vote and might not have frontal lobe damage.

If trump was Jimmy Carter he would have run on the campaign that the Iranian hostages would be released if he was just re-elected.

If he was white trump would tweet about the guy having bigly negotiating skills.

Not sure how you were raised but I certainly was raised to believe racist stuff was racist. Didn't really have degrees of racism.

Also lol at using prison as an example given it's the most racist place in the US.

How about some non-incarcerated examples of a little bit racist or minor racist? Here's a hint, I think watermelon and fried chicken jokes are racist, so are redoneck jokes. Yeah black people can be racist against blacks and whites. Whites blacks and whites. Both racist against Jews. Even though Jews are an ethnoreligious group.

I guess I'm against dumb people, so we all have our crosses to bear.

Tip: to avoid semantic derails, use "bigoted" instead of "racist" to describe hatred of religious types

He's a self described 'democratic socialist' according to Wikipedia.

Is that incorrect?

Matt Walsh (hardline Catholic blogger) is already all over the "Hey Shaun King, look what your boys did. Gonna apologize?" beat.

We are in an ugly time...

Like singlepayer

They're calling it "the BLM kidnapping"...

"Give a man a fish" is a great little saying about general education and knowledge but sorta insidious when applied too literally to the literal need-to-eat-to-not-die.

I mean, why not give a man a fish ever day? Is there a shortage of fish, or is fishing so hard, that every fish needs to be strictly accounted for? If so, it's more than a little irresponsible to trivialize the idea of teaching a man to fish. Apparently, the endeavor is so arduous the master fisherman can't spare a single fish from daily catch.

And don't get me started on the ****ing Ant And The Cricket.

If they beat the person because he was disabled, it could be considered a hate crime based on that. But political affiliation isn't a protected class under the law.

Saying that they beat the kid based on that is stupid, meaning that people will definitely believe that.