I wasn't defending the police response. I was defending the idea of needing a permit to sell food to the public. Ideally, the only thing a police officer should be able to do in this sort of situation is write them a ticket and shut them down for the day. The money can be dealt with (via a fine) after the fact.

He is the walking epitome of Dunning Kruger and illusory superiority

It could be spun as a point of pride by the North Korean media: that North Korea was strong enough to draw the personal attention of America. Could be used as a way to show North Korean strength and American weakness.

But that's a pretty generous interpretation of a person who is either morally and intellectually bankrupt or is pretending to be.

Like I said, in a perfect world. In a perfect world that street vendor could affordably get the inspection and permit with no chance of being deported. Street vending is a real political issue with vocal people on both sides. None of it is based on people getting sick though. It's about people who don't want to see it because ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Well, I don't give a ****. They're people who are doing what they have to to feed their families and they don't have many options - otherwise they sure as hell wouldn't be playing cat and mouse with the cops. Instead of cops giving them a ticket or whatever, maybe health inspectors can just go check them out and only do anything if there's a problem. I'm sure most of them would pass.

If you don't have a license how would the health inspectors know who you actually are or where they could find you?

How did the cop find him?

Anyway, like I keep saying "in a perfect world." But we're not in a perfect world. There's no epidemic of people getting sick from street vendors, so imo just live without the licensing. There is an epidemic of police harassing people just trying to make a living. Don't imagine that problem is easy to fix. It's not. The lesser of two evils here is to just allow street vending. And it's not an evil. It's a good as it is. I mean the bacon wrapped hot dogs are delicious. Ok, it's not good for your health or the planet or the pigs. Some of those vendors sell roasted corn though, which is good all around.

Funny thing was seeing the vendors at the Science March. Everyone was in the little pavilion eating their veggie sandwich they brought, or whatever veggie or free-range humanely killed thing the food trucks had. At least I think there were food trucks. I can't remember for sure now. Pretty sure.

The poor hot dog vendors weren't selling well. I wanted a bacon-wrapped hot dog but was afraid some vegan might scold me. Also not gonna lie - there was that slight "this might make me sick" risky feeling that you get in foreign countries with street food.

Okay, that's reasonable (even if I still agree more with mb). I interpreted your opposition to microbet's post as defending the officer's actions, sorry.

There might be ways for the regime to spin talks with the US such that it portrayed the Americans as weak, but that wasn't what he said. America is pretty much portrayed as the devil in North Korean media. It'd be like dismissing concerns about Palestinian national pride by saying "it will be a point of honor for them to have direct talks with Israel". This is clearly nonsense and is very different to saying "they'll be able to spin it as a propaganda victory".

Edit: In fact even what you've said there is way off base, it's sort of the same problem. Here is how the "Propaganda in North Korea" wiki article describes their portrayal of America:

The hobbits in LOTR would not have considered it a "point of honor" to have been granted direct talks with Sauron.

White people man.

God bless these people. I don't mean that in the "mmm bacon is delicious" way. I just mean God bless these people. What may seem trivial to some is a formidable barrier to entry to others. They should not have the cops chasing them around. And the people who have a problem with the street vendors.....



stinkubus - I know you're not that guy. I'm not saying you are. A health permit or something is reasonable from 10000 feet, but in the real world, imo, this is a race/class issue and the police are guaranteed to come out on the wrong side. (and to jsb - people who speak Spanish and are from Argentina can be racists)

Beats the ~35% excise tax on rec weed in colorado


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Meh, should widespread legalization ever come to pass I would hope the government runs the dispensaries themselves. I wouldn't even care if they did so at a loss. Safe, controlled distribution is more important than making a buck, imo.

Meh, it's just weed.

I was being more general. America's insane incarcerations rates will not subside until the distribution, possession, and use of almost all the most popular intoxicants is no longer a crime.

For weed and weed only I'm sure the private sector could handle it. For other, more destructive substances I'm not sure the profit motive should come into play, nor should the distributors be permitted to advertise under any circumstances. Pennsylvania's state run liquor stores would be the model.

Hey man, if there's one thing we've learned recently, it's that there is no downside to for-profit opioids.

Sounds fine. For heroin I would probably let people get injected directly at hospitals for free.

This has now passed Congress and awaits Trump's signature, proving Trolly knows his trolling.

the guy is making money from an illegal enterprise

that money is ill-gotten

this is really not a difficult position

It is quite amazing that the veneer of social respectability and employment by a publicly traded company iis literally a get out of jail free card. The conduct of Roche should be a national outrage. They are nothing more than drug dealers in suits, who lied to both doctors and patients every step of the way, yet all the scorn is heaped on their victims.

@ianaw

If people do something illegal out in the open with no shame and are generally recieved well by society then the law is wrong and **** it and subvert it.

Shut the **** up

ianaw arguing against himself in other threads

This guy wasn't protesting an unjust law - he was skirting safety regulations out of personal convenience.

Do you think the average person would say they don't want food vendors to be subject to health inspections?

what do you think "due process" means?