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Please, Elliot, I beg of you, let them stay. In fact, give them like special benefits. A stickied birther thread. Whatever it takes. I don't want to go all the way to free republic for my lulz.

agreed. i'm sad enough that the 9/11 truthers don't have their own thread to make fools of themselves.

The reason the birthers keep getting disproven yet keep bringing up the same points is that they don't believe or trust the people doing the debunking.

This is the great tragedy of the demonization of the MSM by the Right. They have come to believe that respectable journalists are tools of the Democratic Party and are not to be trusted. They thus get their news from ideologues like Beck and make that the their version of the way the world works and derive their ideology accordingly.

Anyone who tries to stick his head into the echo chamber is derided as a liberal and they simply tune out anything he has to say.

I was reviewing this thread's greatest hits, and I want you all to pay careful attention to what information this guy redacted. The hour of his birth, but not the minutes. He got rid of everything but the "ber" of his birth month, but later in the document we learn it was signed Sept 6 and accepted Sept 10. Jeez, dude, I'm never gonna be able to figure out what month you were born in without knowing what letters come between "Sept" and "ber." It could be literally ANYTHING.

The question of Obama's birth, JFK's death, what did happened at Rosswell etc. will never be answered to the satisfaction of > 99%. So what?

Seriously, I do not believe Garret's statements about the death of Billy the Kid. So what?

Why the excitement?

Are you also concerned about the great tragedy of the demonization of Fox News by the Left? Or have you come to believe that their respectable journalists are tools of the Republican Party and are not to be trusted?

lol

Why does Trump say in those interviews "Libya is only worth invading if we get the oil" like that is an option? (Not an US-***, maybe I have different logics)

The one part of Trump's platform I agree with is the nature of warfare. I don't really understand why American foreign policy is based in some alternate reality, where forces are marshalled to fight for some land, with no intent to occupy or extract, the resources.

It goes against everything to do with capitalism or free enterprise. One corp acquires another to flow the assets to the parent corp. Its not where the parent corp continues to send capital to its divisions in perpetuity.

And don't bring in rights and other false policies. No one borrows money to give to charity.

So from 3000 feet my understanding is that the "certificate of live birth" is actually not the form that the right wing crazies want, which is called the long form birth certificate. Is this correct or incorrect?

Is there any chance this document wouldn't be created for some reason or something? Lost? Would Obama gain anything from not showing it to the public? Is he just letting the RW self destruct?

So from 3000 feet my understanding is that the "certificate of live birth" is actually not the form that the right wing crazies want, which is called the long form birth certificate. Correct?

Its correct in the sense that is what they are asking for now. They have shifted the goalposts of proof at least three times already.

Is there any chance this document wouldn't be created for some reason or something?

As i understand it, the long for is the original and all reproductions are the short form which is what he released. However im pretty sure the health services head in Hawaii has said she has seen the document.

Lost?

Also plausible. But again, this seems to be contradicted by the health services woman. If im remembering it correctly anyway.

Would Obama gain anything from not showing it to the public?

There is a none zero chance there is something embarrassing on the form. Certainly its nothing related to his presidential status though. There is also the fact that as the birthers have shifted the goalposts of proof repeatedly all he is going to gain by showing it is more questions like why he didnt sooner or why cant he show XYZ proof as well and so on and and so forth.

Given proof of being born on US soil is all that is constitutionally required (if that) and the short form he released proves it that seems like a good time to just dig in and say enough is enough.

As ive asked before, if these guys were junkers and wanted to see his dick, would anyone seriously be asking him to just whip it out given how easy it would be for him to do so?

Is he just letting the RW self destruct?

I sure hope so. It would be really really epic if they got to the debate stage and the Reps chose some nutbag who tried this on and his just whips out his long one in the live debate.

So the world should pick between
a) do nothing to Libya and let themselves fight it out, probably resulting in tens of thousands of civillian casualties and a continued fierce dictatorship

b) Take over the country, not caring which resistance you're killing, and dividing the remaining parts of the country to those who come out victorious?


And basicly what you're saying is, if tomorrow North Korea decides to invade South Korea, Or Germany decides to invade France, the only reason other countries should decide to go to war aswell is to eventually claim the country theirs, or at least strip it from all its good parts?

I hope I missunderstood you, because if you truely believe this, something must be very, very wrong with you.

so then what you say is the u.s. should save the world. but why do they choose only some and not all. ww2 wasn't our war untill pearl harbor and i think more civilians died b4 we got into that then did in libya.

So it is OK to bankrupt your own country even further and risk the lives of troops for nothing.

Do you think it is OK for a neighbor to come kicking in your door and kicking the crap out of you while you are dealing with family matters in your house?

Do you think you shouldnt stop your neighbour from beating his wife to death if you can?

If your solution to the family issue is rape and murder then ldo

Not really my problem is it?
And most likely the wife will get up and start pounding on you telling you to leave her hubby alone, because she LOVES HIM.

Doesn't really make a difference when the one kicking in the door is a rapist and murderer too.

Are you sure you are part of the human race if you can sit by and let someone murder their wife? Are you one of those AI programs that pretends to be a human being but gets tricked out by the basics such as lack of empathy?

Who told you! I mean NO.
I just don't believe people have any business worrying about other peoples problems.
I would feel bad but it really wouldn't matter to me. I would not lose sleep over it.

yes the world should, not some jack wagon who sits in a house on Pennsylvania Ave. And not some band of 300M Americans who want to force their goods on the rest of the world, at their terms, price, and acceptable standard (that changes with the wind). Or that same 300M Americans who think they can decide what others should pay, and therefore they alone deserve always a cheap price for supplies they've exhausted.

All the rest of your post is what gets tossed into the mix to hide reality, none of it means jack **** to anyone else in other regions of the planet. These despots were installed by the same idiots who pay lip service to saving the heathens. I stand by my position, the only thing America is worse at than war is so called peace time foreign policy.

You guys have ****ed up the world. Because your little area never got bombed in the 1940's, you were set to become the government subsidized behemoths of goods. Yet now, even after all that good fortune and collectivism, you've managed to go bust, while managing to drag down other parts of the world with tons & tons of worthless financial instruments. All the while borrowing money to flush it down the toilet.

As bad as the like function was, that post is made for it.