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Old 02-05-2018, 07:34 PM   #176
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Re: Is the Trump Economy Good for Poker?

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I agree. But you left out the idea that the tax cuts should grow the economy enough so that more tax revenue is collected in a he long run. This means s the gamble of the tax cuts.

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Quite a fantastical idea, considering 0% of economists on the IGM panel agree.

http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/laffer-curve
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Old 02-05-2018, 07:39 PM   #177
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Dear Mason,

My answer to your question is no, even if you could realistically look at it in a vacuum and assume generous definitions for "trump economy" and "good for poker". More importantly, I find the very idea of trying to consider it that way to be morally repugnant. Perhaps I am just old fashioned.

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Old 02-05-2018, 09:29 PM   #178
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Re: Is the Trump Economy Good for Poker?

This thread is hilarious. A group of poker players, who proudly claim that they'd try to bust their own mother, who will lie to the bad players, who will manipulate and employ what would be considered terrible behavior in any other field are outraged, OUTRAGED! that someone comes along and says 'more money in circulation = better games', which is true, bec he's added something about thinking over their hatred of Trump. And it won't matter that I hate Trump myself bec most of you ppl can't stand that last part of Mason's OP and off the thread goes into Mason bashing.

Mason: It's a mistake to bring this sort of thing to the politics sub-forum. Give up on this place. I appreciate it that you haven't nuked this ridiculous sub-forum but it's mostly aids. Give this joint up, stay away, imo.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:33 PM   #179
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Re: Is the Trump Economy Good for Poker?

I love when the bigots stick up for each other.

Also, not sure if this Trump economy based on tax cuts is good for poker but it seems to be bad for the market, eh?
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:34 PM   #180
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This thread is hilarious. A group of poker players, who proudly claim that they'd try to bust their own mother, who will lie to the bad players, who will manipulate and employ what would be considered terrible behavior in any other field are outraged, OUTRAGED! that someone comes along and says 'more money in circulation = better games', which is true, bec he's added something about thinking over their hatred of Trump. And it won't matter that I hate Trump myself bec most of you ppl can't stand that last part of Mason's OP and off the thread goes into Mason bashing.

Mason: It's a mistake to bring this sort of thing to the politics sub-forum. Give up on this place. I appreciate it that you haven't nuked this ridiculous sub-forum but it's mostly aids. Give this joint up, stay away, imo.
Nice strawman you constructed there. Try better.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:35 PM   #181
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This thread is hilarious. A group of poker players, who proudly claim that they'd try to bust their own mother, who will lie to the bad players, who will manipulate and employ what would be considered terrible behavior in any other field are outraged, OUTRAGED! that someone comes along and says 'more money in circulation = better games', which is true, bec he's added something about thinking over their hatred of Trump. And it won't matter that I hate Trump myself bec most of you ppl can't stand that last part of Mason's OP and off the thread goes into Mason bashing.

Mason: It's a mistake to bring this sort of thing to the politics sub-forum. Give up on this place. I appreciate it that you haven't nuked this ridiculous sub-forum but it's mostly aids. Give this joint up, stay away, imo.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:35 PM   #182
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Howard, there is more money for the 1%. The people who don't need money. I won't put words in Mason's mouth, but I would venture he is against a living minimum wage.

We're aware you're a huge Trump deplorable. You can refute any fact posted itt, especially the laffer curve. Please, attempt to do so.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:37 PM   #183
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Re: Is the Trump Economy Good for Poker?

man, i would be bigly in support of giving every random scumbag $30k/year for nothing. that would make poker games ****ing sick $$$$$ are you kidding me??

if trump does that i'll be stoked but you'll need a democrat-controlled house and 60 democrats in the senate
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:42 PM   #184
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Mason: It's a mistake to bring this sort of thing to the politics sub-forum. Give up on this place. I appreciate it that you haven't nuked this ridiculous sub-forum but it's mostly aids. Give this joint up, stay away, imo.
This is precisely where he should bring it (if anywhere). His mistake was bringing what he knows is a divisive political opinion to 2+2 Magazine.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:43 PM   #185
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Mason should convince all those Bitcoin dudes that they're donking off their money and have better odds at tables.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:01 PM   #186
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Nice strawman you constructed there. Try better.
Yeah, sure. You know what happens when a player has a heart attack and keels over at the table? The other players get ticked off that the game's been stopped or they step right over the person on their way back from the rest room. A bunch of whiny, self-entitled and ruthless people - when away from the game - are suddenly holier than thou angelic humanitarians.

Look: Just bec Mason said to re-think your hatred of Trump doesn't mean that you have to go off the rails and tell a successful business man that he's stupid bec he could've been more successful by going against his lawyer's advice or call him a racist or ask if he's in favor of nuclear war or any of these stupidities that this crew always comes up with.

Mason made the mistake of saying something uncontroversial and adding that last bit about Trump without which this thread would've had a few posts, the mod would've shook his head bec he can't nuke the thing, and done. But, no, the people won't have it and Mason must be destroyed.

Some of you ppl ought to patrol the strat threads w/ their racial, ethnic and gender stereotyping while you're on your pedestal, that's what I think.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:06 PM   #187
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Hasty generalizations and strawmen arguments aren't productive, dude.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:22 PM   #188
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Hasty generalizations and strawmen arguments aren't productive, dude.
That's your take. I suppose that you find whether or not Mason paid FICA to be relevant.

If you don't like Mason's OP the reply is simple: 'Mason, given a choice between getting some money v. the threat to the United States of America, I'll take a pass on the money.'

But this is politics as expressed on 2p2, the fantasy land of the deranged on both sides each of which has wonderful people. Hah.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:25 PM   #189
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Mason should convince all those Bitcoin dudes that they're donking off their money and have better odds at tables.
This is the best answer.

Consider the coal industry. A positive sum industry that was a central part of Trump campaign promises. Be honest about how much the Trump economy will improve the coal industry then reduce this amount drastically for poker because it is a negative sum game, runs counter to the interests of some of Trump's donors and constituents, and has never been mentioned by Trump in any fashion.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:26 PM   #190
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Re: Is the Trump Economy Good for Poker?

people in the politics forum actually want to discuss politics instead of dismiss it. you should write a book, howard
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:26 PM   #191
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I think you have done the most "yelling" itt, Howard. Sure, Mason got flamed by some people itt. Others have pointed out legitimate flaws in his arguments.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:27 PM   #192
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howard do you think bank fraud should even be illegal?
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:29 PM   #193
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Lol, all poker players are complete and utter scumbags but it makes me upset when you accuse one poker player of being especially mean.

If Mason is part of a group of people all of whom that would be pissed off at a man having a heart attack then HE SHOULD BE DESTROYED reputationally. If that is your opinion, then step back as the hyenas tear each other apart and then pick off the last survivor. Jesus, I thought it was the old folks that were supposed to instill some ****ing principles in the younger generation. No wonder our country has gone to **** under your leadership.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:31 PM   #194
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Trump tax cuts finally starting to roll out. How much are they helping the economy?

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Old 02-05-2018, 10:32 PM   #195
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I'd like to note. If I ever sit at a table with a player and he or she keels over and dies my jimmies won't be rustled over the interruption.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:49 PM   #196
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Yeah, sure. You know what happens when a player has a heart attack and keels over at the table? The other players get ticked off that the game's been stopped or they step right over the person on their way back from the rest room. A bunch of whiny, self-entitled and ruthless people - when away from the game - are suddenly holier than thou angelic humanitarians.
Umm you might think all poker players are like this based on how you might react in this situation but just FYI most people arenít huge scumbags and would not be annoyed that a poker game might be delayed because some guy might be dying at the table. Wtf is wrong with you?
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:52 PM   #197
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Lol, all poker players are complete and utter scumbags but it makes me upset when you accuse one poker player of being especially mean.

If Mason is part of a group of people all of whom that would be pissed off at a man having a heart attack then HE SHOULD BE DESTROYED reputationally. If that is your opinion, then step back as the hyenas tear each other apart and then pick off the last survivor. Jesus, I thought it was the old folks that were supposed to instill some ****ing principles in the younger generation. No wonder our country has gone to **** under your leadership.
The principle that I support is that there should be some thought rather than an outpouring of pre-packaged outrage each time a person's political/social beliefs are offended. Take the proposition apart, they needn't be married. 'I'd like some money but I still hate Trump' is good enough. Instead we get the usual that this forum dishes up. Much of the replies itt are not to the point. What's Mason's decision not to become an affiliate got to do w/ anything except to make him appear a fool thereby dismissing any argument he puts forth? That's the default for most of the posters in politics.

And if you think that almost all of the players at the table aren't ticked off that their game is going to be delayed a long time while the medics are there, and aren't running to the board to try to get into a running game, heart attack person be damned, you're thinking wrong.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:57 PM   #198
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Umm you might think all poker players are like this based on how you might react in this situation but just FYI most people arenít huge scumbags and would not be annoyed that a poker game might be delayed because some guy might be dying at the table. Wtf is wrong with you?
I don't care to spend the time to tell you wtf? is wrong w/ me bec there's a lot wrong w/ me. But I've been playing live a long time and I see what I see and I think everyone w/ a cool head sees the same. Poker players are the worst and if their business associates/family/friends were to see how they act while playing they'd be upset. Especially if they'd just lost a huge pot.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:57 PM   #199
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i don't understand what the players should be doing. do you need to immediately say 25 hail marys or something? if someone dies near you? why couldn't they keep playing?
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:58 PM   #200
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How was it pre packaged Howard? People cited studies relevant to the points Mason was making and his own posts, both of which destroyed his arguments. You can't just be mad people are using facts against Trump, that's not how this works even if you wish it did.

The grumpiest poker players in any poker room are clones of Howard. Old, delusional and hate the world and the facts that are inconvenient to their narrative. Mad when their big hands get cracked and when the young kids are raising too often.
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