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02-14-2018 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I love the teachers. I'm not nuts about my tax dollars paying for boob jobs. I'm really not nuts about my tax dollars paying for sheriffs making $400k/year for life by goosing overtime in their last year.

Having said that - I'm almost to the point where I'm like **** it - maybe public sector unions need to be allowed to abuse the system to save us all from a Trumpian hellscape.
I was just ****ing with ya.
02-14-2018 , 10:37 PM
While the teacher and police pay/pension situation is pretty ridiculous in many states, I've permanently suspended caring at all about it given that the increase in the recent spending deal, agreed to by Chuck & Nancy (aka the absolute WOAT "leaders" ever) increased defense spending (already more than the next 10 highest spending countries combined) by $80 billion, a large multiple of annual public sector nonsense.
02-14-2018 , 10:47 PM
Yeah I don't really care that much anymore either. Much bigger outrages.
02-14-2018 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
While the teacher and police pay/pension situation is pretty ridiculous in many states, I've permanently suspended caring at all about it...
Damn, it's like the end of an era.
02-14-2018 , 11:46 PM
I’m curious what chuck and Nancy were supposed to get, as the minority party, in the spending bill? They’re the minority, should they force the majority to give majority funding to their pet projects?
02-14-2018 , 11:49 PM
02-15-2018 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Which economists have the most reliable models? I wants to know what is going to happen to the economy in the next couple of years. Thanks.
If you're asking about forecasting, then ones that get paid to produce forecasts for a living.
02-15-2018 , 05:47 PM



Sorry, what was the point again? Something about the "Trump economy" being good for poker and therefore don't hate this ****er that lays some blame on schoolkids for getting murdered?
02-15-2018 , 05:54 PM
Ironically, one of the clearest signs that he was a mentally disturbed anti-social ****stick is that he was a MAGAhead. Its one thing for an old that grew up during segregation to support another racist old dotard, but a young kid? Yeah, they have issues. But we are so politically correct these days that we can't say that. We need to stop being so politically correct. If we don't get smart it will only get worse.
02-16-2018 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by watevs
Also still waiting for one mention of Sheldon Adelson and how his large presence in the Republican party is good for internet poker, or poker in general



I mean two years ago you're tweeting Rich's action plan that mentions big Shelds, how do you feel about him two years later?
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
The above tweet never happened and is completely made up by you. Enjoy your vacation.

Mason
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
If you would have clicked the link in the tweet and read what the Daily Poker Action Plan was about, you would have seen that this was a discussion quite negative towards Addelson and also asking that members of the poker community tell Trump to support poker. Completely different from what you represented.

In the future, I suggest you don't attack people without knowing all the facts. But I'll assume that this was just a mistake on your part and not worry about it.

See my Post #339.

Mason
Checks out.

(lol)

(lolol)
02-16-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
His reposting of that tweet was done to make me and 2+2 look bad, and he almost succeeded.
Almost? You look pretty bad my Dude.
02-17-2018 , 09:01 AM
10 years

lol
02-17-2018 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
This is actually not true, especially in economics; the amount of purely theoretical work is relatively high. Here's such a (rather infamous) paper on this very topic:

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/h...micScoring.pdf



They are napkin theorizing how tax cuts pay for themselves and then leaving all of the empirical work for others. That's standard because mostly there are theorists and there are empiricists, and their training and skills are different. But here's where things go awry:





This is the entire setup for modern anarcho-libertarian-whateverism types:

(A) Here are some equations that just make too much darned sense.
(B) The actual effects are speculative and will be highly-sensitive to some key empirical findings.
(C) Welp, looks like reasonable people can disagree on those findings.

Except, they overwhelmingly don't disagree at all. The final step after ignoring observed reality is to return to (A) and claim victory, because there's really no other way to square that circle.
Then the 2nd half of my post that you didn't bold is true.
02-17-2018 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I'm not an expert

MM
You made your point in the first 4 words. The next 400 were just a waste of energy
02-17-2018 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Imo the guy who said "That's a Laffer!" meant that five years was just too short to tell.
Incidentally that person just won the Nobel Prize in Economics. But Mason thinks he is wrong. Both sides!

Last edited by Paul McSwizzle; 02-17-2018 at 01:02 PM.
02-17-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I love the teachers. I think they're heroes and have said that many times. I'm not nuts about my tax dollars paying for boob jobs. I'm really not nuts about my tax dollars paying for sheriffs making $400k/year for life by goosing overtime in their last year.

Having said that - I'm almost to the point where I'm like **** it - maybe public sector unions need to be allowed to abuse the system to save us all from a Trumpian hellscape.
wat

Also, "but mah tax dollers" is a bad meme that needs to die. The government prints money into circulation and then taxes people to take it back out. The framing of "the taxpayer" sets up a debate environment that's extremely conducive to right wing priorities and it isn't accurate. Not hating on you suzzer just pointing something out that every thinking person needs to have on their radar.
02-17-2018 , 01:16 PM
Also, just an observation that Mason shutting down 2p2 politics because he disagrees with the consensus view of the smart posters there would be an extremely sad end to my personal experience with poker and with TwoPlusTwo, which looks something like the below:

Finding poker -> Learning that many parts of the poker world/poker community were shady -> Finding 2p2 -> Learning that despite reputation/shadiness of much of poker, there were indeed plenty of smart and indeed extremely ethical people that occupied that
world -> Convincing friends/family of this point -> Online poker gets shut down, turns out huge swaths of it were in fact extremely shady, plenty of egg on my face for defending it as legitimate -> Taking comfort in the fact that 2p2 still exists, is owned/operated by people who hold the open exchange of information to be a core value -> Finish the story.
02-17-2018 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul McSwizzle
wat

Also, "but mah tax dollers" is a bad meme that needs to die. The government prints money into circulation and then taxes people to take it back out. The framing of "the taxpayer" sets up a debate environment that's extremely conducive to right wing priorities and it isn't accurate. Not hating on you suzzer just pointing something out that every thinking person needs to have on their radar.
The Buffalo school district union had a clause that would pay for plastic surgery. Teachers were getting boob jobs paid for by the state. http://eagnews.org/buffalo-schools-s...ssive-deficit/

In LA USD it costs like $500k to fire a teacher for bad performance. And then they still get hired back some of the time. Standard play is to offer terrible teacherst $50k to go away. Otherwise they just don’t fire anyone. Something like 10 teachers out of 30k were fired for poor performances over a decade. http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-t...y03-story.html

The second one has the double whammy of not only costing taxpayers millions but being terrible for the kids.

And yes it does matter where that money comes from. If UPS union wants to negotiate for boob jobs I don’t care. But when a public sector union does it with public tax dollars, and also puts in tons of money to get friendly politicians elected to sit across from them st the bargaining table -that **** matters.

But again the existential threat to democracy we have in the WH right now is a lot higher on my radar.

Last edited by suzzer99; 02-17-2018 at 02:12 PM.
02-17-2018 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
The Buffalo school district union had a clause that would pay for plastic surgery. Teachers were getting boob jobs paid for by the state. http://eagnews.org/buffalo-schools-s...ssive-deficit/

In LA USD it costs like $500k to fire a teacher for bad performance. And then they still get hired back some of the time. Standard play is to offer terrible teacherst $50k to go away. Otherwise they just don’t fire anyone. Something like 10 teachers out of 30k were fired for poor performances over a decade. http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-t...y03-story.html

The second one has the double whammy of not only costing taxpayers millions but being terrible for the kids.

And yes it does matter where that money comes from. If UPS union wants to negotiate for boob jobs I don’t care. But when a public sector union does it with public tax dollars, and also puts in tons of money to get friendly politicians elected to sit across from them st the bargaining table -that **** matters.

But again the existential threat to democracy we have in the WH right now is a lot higher on my radar.
For state and local taxes, you're right. I still don't think it's useful to use the "taxpayer" framework, but that's off topic. The boob job thing is something I'd just never care about but that's hilarious.

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02-18-2018 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Then the 2nd half of my post that you didn't bold is true.
The part about peer review being meaningless if there is no accompanying empirical work? That's not really the case. There are absolutely problems with scientific peer review, but I don't think lack of empirical work in a paper is one of them. There are pure theory papers in econ just like there are in physics, psychology, biology, etc. So the peer review in that case will evaluate things like theory development quality, assumptions, plausibility, novelty, and overall contribution; the empirical check is left for the empiricist. And trust me, the reviewers are absolute savages.
02-18-2018 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
The part about peer review being meaningless if there is no accompanying empirical work? That's not really the case. There are absolutely problems with scientific peer review, but I don't think lack of empirical work in a paper is one of them. There are pure theory papers in econ just like there are in physics, psychology, biology, etc. So the peer review in that case will evaluate things like theory development quality, assumptions, plausibility, novelty, and overall contribution; the empirical check is left for the empiricist. And trust me, the reviewers are absolute savages.
A lot of new economic theory is based on data peers can check.
02-18-2018 , 03:31 PM
America Is Under Attack And The President Doesn't Care

I mean, sure, it's probably bad that our president is Putin's puppet, doing everything he can to help Putin so long as he and the GOP get some small amount of (illegal) help from Russia. And so what that Putin has been supporting authoritarian parties around the world, like AfD and the GOP. Who cares so long as the economy is good and something something poker, right?

Freedom and democracy? Don't need it. Just need a strong economy.
02-18-2018 , 07:25 PM
The owner of the MagazineplusBullets Forum made a thread almost exactly like this recently.
02-22-2018 , 01:40 PM
Workers allege Disney withheld $1,000 bonuses until employees agree to lower wages

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Unions representing tens of thousands of workers at Disney World filed a federal unfair labor complaint against the company Monday, alleging that it withheld $1,000 bonuses from unionized workers during contract negotiations to convince employees to take lower wages.

In January, the Walt Disney Company announced it would provide 125,000 employees with a cash bonus of $1,000 for all full-time staff and part-time non-executive domestic employees, the International Business Times reported. Disney was one of a few corporations to hand out $1,000 bonuses after the passage of GOP tax legislation, which lowered the corporate interest rate.
https://thinkprogress.org/disney-uni...-bff5b8caa0fc/


Can't spell trickle-down without trick.
02-22-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Name a few issues and tell me what the Republicam position is. Pretty sure I can find Republicans who disagree with the Republican position that you declare it to be. I'm one person and even if I didn't care about what the Republican Party official position is on anything that doesn't prove a thing, DUCY?
Am I the only one that think adios should be banned for this post? What's the benefit of allowing a member to participate in a political discussion if he is arguing in a completely disingenuous manner? At least poconoder and Mason make (horrible) points and take positions on things.

"Tell us about some of your political beliefs."

"I'm just one guy, what does it matter, DUCY?"

It's not a discussion at this point, it's just a monkey mashing his fingers on the keyboard.

      
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