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02-13-2018 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
The Republican Party is the biggest cult in the world.
Only if you don’t consider all religion to be a cult
02-13-2018 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
02-13-2018 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Mason,

What is your definition of hatred in this context? My reading of this thread is that you put forward a proposition (the economy under trump will be better than it would have been under clinton and this will materially impact the US poker economy) and people have vigorously disagreed with you. I haven't seen anything I personally would classify as hatred. I reserve that word for things like calling mexicans rapists, wanting to ban people from travelling to the US based on their religion or running someone over because they are protesting a rally you are attending.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
tomdemaine:

Your post sounds good but I suggest you reread much of this thread and many of the other posts in this forum.

A few specifics. Calling all Mexican rapists is wrong. But pointing out that because of the illegal flow of drugs into our country it's introducing a violent element into our society is a problem that needs to be addressed is not.

Banning people because of their religion from coming to the United States is wrong. But is it wrong to ban people from certain countries where there is much terrorism and who can't be adequately vetted wrong as well?

And as for the person who ran over someone who was protesting the rally, I suspect they'll spend a lot of time in jail.

By the way, just to throw a silly question at you, suppose there was a group of people who wanted to come to the United States and they believed in the old Aztec religion where it was important to rip the hearts out of some of their enemies to appease the gods. Would you be for allowing them in?

Mason
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Even your speaker of the house said that suggesting an American judge with Mexican heritage can't judge a case involving Donald Trump fairly is a "textbook definition of a racist comment", Mason. Donald Trump brings up MS-13 when talking about Dreamers because he doesn't know or care what the difference between the two are. Donald Trump had to settle federal discrimination lawsuits for not renting to black people. Donald Trump thinks Haitians all have AIDS and Nigerians live in huts and doesn't want to accept immigrants from those countries. Donald Trump insisted for years with no evidence that Barack Obama was an illegitimate president not born in the United States. Donald Trump blames immigration and Islam for crimes committed by immigrants and stays silent when similar or worse crimes are committed by white people. Donald Trump says "both sides have fine people" when Nazis hold a rally that killed somebody. Donald Trump berates the grieving families of nonwhite soldiers killed in combat. Donald Trump pardoned a sheriff who was found guilty of ignoring court orders to stop violating the civil rights of Latinos.

As an utterly irrational person who starts from a position of defending Trump and works backwards, can you find remotely plausible explanations for all of these incidents as you have with his "rapists" comment above?

Donald Trump is a huge racist, and you voted for him. You support him even now. It's disgusting.
Heh what a shocker, Mason doesn't seem to want to talk about racism anymore
02-13-2018 , 03:56 PM
5+ pages in and I still don't know if the Trump economy is good for poker Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
02-13-2018 , 04:12 PM
Brag: I'm going to pay quite a bit less in taxes. Thanks pass-through deduction!
Beat: there's no good place for me to spend some of that money playing poker.
Variance: creeping threat of white supremacists, transition to banana republic well underway.
02-13-2018 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
could you post a link to the poll? was it 5% approval to 6% approval? a lot of times these are done over the phone and people don't seem to be paying attention 5% of the time
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25952...-ryan-saavedra
02-13-2018 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
Mason, it seems like you conveniently missed this point Jake was making so I'll bump it:



These are respected PhD economists from some of the top academic institutions. Here is the germane question they responded to:



0% Strongly Agree
0% Agree
8% Uncertain
33% Disagree
38% Strongly Disagree
5% No Opinion

Now, we can partition this even further and just look at what the people from the institution of Mr. Milton Friedman himself had to say.

Name University Vote Confidence Comment
Katherine Baicker Chicago Strongly Disagree 6  
Marianne Bertrans Chicago Uncertain 3  
Austan Goolsbee Chicago Strongly Disagree 10 Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The reasearch has shown this a thousand times. Enough already.
Michael Greenstone Chicago Strongly Disagree 7 All evidence that I'm aware of suggest that cutting tax rates "marginally" from their current levels would DECREASE revenues, even 5 yrs out
Anil Kashyap Chicago Disagree 7 May look plausible on a cocktail napkin (or at a cocktail party), but not true empirically in the US.
Nancy Stokey Chicago Disagree 7 Are we thinking of Japan as a model for this kind of "fiscal stimulus"?
Richard Thaler Chicago Strongly Disagree 8 That's a Laffer!
Luigo Zingales Chicago Disagree 6

So, again, we're all wondering why we should value your unlettered opinion--in a discipline for which you have no training or qualifications--over the opinions of the leading experts in the field. Your opinion is diametrically incongruent with the field of economics, so it requires extraordinary empirical evidence far beyond something just "making sense" to you in order to make your case. Is it your belief that these experts are simply mistaken?
And the Trump advisors are talking about ten years, not five.

MM
02-13-2018 , 08:54 PM
looooooooooooolllll
02-13-2018 , 08:55 PM
Your response seems very similar to the “we’re losing a dollar on each sale, but we’ll make it up in volume” cliche
02-13-2018 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
Pwn I would agree with you if it mattered. You could cite 100 peer reviewed journal articles about the true nature of the curve and Trump slappies will just quote the heritage foundation. **** playing with these people.
It's close enough I think.
02-13-2018 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
is this where you read about the poll, mason?

because i've got a friend, conservative guy, he comes at me with crazy stuff that i've never heard of, like the weekend before the election he thought hillary was gonna get arrested and he was worried that if she wasn't arrested by election day he might actually have to vote but he was weighing it like it was 60/40 hillary arrested any minute now. and i asked him where he gets his news from, and he kinda hesitated, and he says Reuters. so, ok, maybe he's not lying, maybe if he wants to read about news he goes to Reuters but he doesn't want to read about news because he's got people talking in his ear all this wacky right wing **** and he's just buying it and moving on without examining it too closely because he's got other **** on his mind and he's just not that interested in this minutiae.

i'm worried that maybe mason is just misguided by some people talking in his ear. i think he's a good guy he just needs to objectively examine his own bubble.

but then he comes in high on his horse to write this op-ed because it was dow jones all time high tax cuts passed, trying to stir up rubes to vote republican in 18 under the guise of poker math that he's keeping to himself he's just laying out the summary for the poker community. and people are like, hey you personally are gonna make millions of dollars off these tax cuts and he responds so mike pence, gaslighting nondenials like "lol why would you think that so silly!". but he thinks these tax cuts are great for job creating that he hasn't personally announced (even though he threatened taking away jobs when tax increases were announced), but he claims he didn't even know about the pass-through rule which he also claimed was the way he takes income from the site. so how would he even know what trump is doing if he doesn't know what the tax law did for HIM? it's not a believable line so i'm calling the bluff. show me the bluff, mason! do you read dailywire or do you believe your friends over hundreds of professional journalists, or are you trying to trick low-intelligence readers into voting for your best financial interests under the guise of a discussion about the poker economy?
02-13-2018 , 09:51 PM
That is a cringe-worthy rebuttal, MM.
02-13-2018 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by heh
That is a cringe-worthy rebuttal, MM.
Certainly no one will confuse it with vigorous debate.
02-13-2018 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
Mason, it seems like you conveniently missed this point Jake was making so I'll bump it:

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So, again, we're all wondering why we should value your unlettered opinion--in a discipline for which you have no training or qualifications--over the opinions of the leading experts in the field. Your opinion is diametrically incongruent with the field of economics, so it requires extraordinary empirical evidence far beyond something just "making sense" to you in order to make your case. Is it your belief that these experts are simply mistaken?
Great post.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
If your response to this isn't "conceded, tax cuts will decrease tax revenue" or a reason why you wouldn't trust expert consensus here, then you're not arguing in good faith.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
And the Trump advisors are talking about ten years, not five.

MM
Welp.
02-13-2018 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Millions of dollars? You are aware that Harry Reid probably could have stopped the UIGEA in 2006.

Mason
FWIW - I post this all the time, but reading this is when the lightbulb really went on for me to explain the modern Republican voter. Anything good Republicans do, they like. Anything bad - well Democrats do it to.

I grew up with a similar dynamic trying to argue with my friends that, no actually the US is more free than Soviet Russia. The sneering contempt at my naďveté for saying such a thing is the exact same. Both sides are just as bad and you are a simpleton for believing otherwise. It's a very very seductive narrative.

https://hanshowe.org/2017/02/04/trum...se-cargo-cult/

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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this kind of cynicism was referred to as the “reverse cargo cult” effect.

In a regular cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw, hoping for the same outcome. They don’t know the difference between a straw airstrip and a real one, they just want the cargo.

In a reverse cargo cult, you have people who see an airstrip, and the cargo drops, so they build one out of straw. But there’s a twist:

When they build the straw airstrip, it isn’t because they are hoping for the same outcome. They know the difference, and know that because their airstrip is made of straw, it certainly won’t yield any cargo, but it serves another purpose. They don’t lie to the rubes and tell them that an airstrip made of straw will bring them cargo. That’s an easy lie to dismantle. Instead, what they do is make it clear that the airstrip is made of straw, and doesn’t work, but then tell you that the other guy’s airstrip doesn’t work either. They tell you that no airstrips yield cargo. The whole idea of cargo is a lie, and those fools, with their fancy airstrip made out of wood, concrete, and metal is just as wasteful and silly as one made of straw.

1980s Soviets knew that their government was lying to them about the strength and power of their society, the Communist Party couldn’t hide all of the dysfunctions people saw on a daily basis. This didn’t stop the Soviet leadership from lying. Instead, they just accused the West of being equally deceptive. “Sure, things might be bad here, but they are just as bad in America, and in America people are actually foolish enough to believe in the lie! Not like you, clever people. You get it. You know it is a lie.”

Trump’s supporters don’t care about being lied to. You can point out the lies until you’re blue in the face, but it makes no difference to them. Why? Because it is just a game to them. The media lies, bloggers lie, politicians lie, it’s just all a bunch of lies. Facts don’t matter because those are lies also. Those trolls on Twitter, 4Chan, T_D, etc. are just having a good laugh. They are congratulating each other for being so smart. We are fools for still believing in anything. There is no cargo, and probably never was.
It's all just a game to them. Of course they argue in bad faith. They know which side of the culture war they identify with, and which party claims to be on their side. That is the only thing that matters. The rest is just trying to convince others to join their side. Issues mean nothing. Facts mean nothing. There is no cargo, and probably never was.
02-13-2018 , 10:25 PM
02-13-2018 , 10:26 PM
Are you sneering at me?
02-13-2018 , 10:28 PM
I guess move thread to RGT since it has become clear that this discussion is religious in nature.
02-13-2018 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Are you sneering at me?
No, but I wanted to in the other thread where you were complaining that knowing what "Anglo-American heritage" is in a legal sense required too much book-learnin'.
02-13-2018 , 10:38 PM
One lawyer so far has said it's a common term and everyone else has claimed it's not. If all the lawyers (about half the politics forum) said it was common I would think different.

If you will notice in that same thread I went to bat for Pruitt flying business class and restrictions on food stamps. So it's not like I'm towing the liberal line 100%.
02-13-2018 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
And the Trump advisors are talking about ten years, not five.

MM
Did the Bush tax cuts, which were promised to pay for themselves in this manner, pay for themselves after 10 years?
02-13-2018 , 10:48 PM
You spelled "their arguments didn't hold a drop of water so they took their ball and went home" wrong.
02-13-2018 , 10:52 PM
Still hoping for a Mason answer to my question of is all of this worth it, EVEN IF the economy goes gangbusters for the next [insert whatever period of time you like here].
02-14-2018 , 12:36 AM
Mason still isn't quite sure if Trump has ever said anything that could be considered racially insensitive. He is purely on the GOP train. There is no logic happening here.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
You spelled "Best regards, ifixupost" wrong.
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02-14-2018 , 03:02 AM
That 10 years “rebuttal” exceeds all my expectations. Mason, if we were to email all those same economists and changed 5 years to 10 years, would you wager on, let’s say, 1/3 of them changing their minds and going from a no to a yes? Not even a majority

      
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