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02-17-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Not to hijack the thread, but this isn't all that accurate. The deeply conservative crowd here only populates the southern half of the Island, and is mostly comprised of 70's and 80's Brooklynites from South Brooklyn who moved here in the early to mid 90's.

Many people have ended up eventually leaving and moving to central NJ, though.
You are right, I was generalizing and wanted to make a joke about rurals and/or jersey. Terrible joke, bad spot to try it.

However, I am still legit shook by a memory of staten island residents proudly talking about becoming racist because of oj. At the time I got upset about it but eventually was able to convince myself that was nonsense.
02-17-2017 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sportsjefe






https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/832688129068900352

Zinger:



https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/832689696861995008
trump is a global spectacle. the volcano is shaking, we see smoke.. and everyone is ****ing glued. i'm like those kids i can't stop thinking about him either i need to suppress myself from making trump references all day.

trump's america
02-18-2017 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The officer corps and the higher-ups in the US military will pushback against full-on martial law. I'm way more worried about the paramilitary cops we have running around these days. We saw in Ferguson how they're willing to treat American citizens.
Never count on the military or intelligence services to protect civil liberties. If it gets to that, the cause is lost already.
02-18-2017 , 07:55 AM
I often think about do you get so many people going along with the stuff. Despite a lot of research I never understand how normal people become wardens in death camps during WW2. I mean few are probably always deranged but there were thousands of them.
In recent times too when I see pictures and stories about Turkey I always think how is the majority of the police force going along with that stuff. Is there nobody who thinks about the whole picture? I mean often enough they only follow orders but it still makes me curious that so many are eager to follow even unlawful orders.
It always seems that law enforcement doesnt need much time to fall in line when dramatic changes in policies occur. Then you see some of these nutjob sheriffs tweeting and you ask yourself how did they become police in the first place. It seems to me that whereever you look law enforcement is just waiting to go crazy. Philippines are a great example as well. Lets just shoot everyone without due process.
02-18-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Right, I was totally unfamiliar with the painting.
Same.
02-18-2017 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
I often think about do you get so many people going along with the stuff. Despite a lot of research I never understand how normal people become wardens in death camps during WW2. I mean few are probably always deranged but there were thousands of them.
In recent times too when I see pictures and stories about Turkey I always think how is the majority of the police force going along with that stuff. Is there nobody who thinks about the whole picture? I mean often enough they only follow orders but it still makes me curious that so many are eager to follow even unlawful orders.
It always seems that law enforcement doesnt need much time to fall in line when dramatic changes in policies occur. Then you see some of these nutjob sheriffs tweeting and you ask yourself how did they become police in the first place. It seems to me that whereever you look law enforcement is just waiting to go crazy. Philippines are a great example as well. Lets just shoot everyone without due process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

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They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience; the experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of people were prepared to obey, albeit unwillingly, even if apparently causing serious injury and distress.
02-18-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
I often think about do you get so many people going along with the stuff. Despite a lot of research I never understand how normal people become wardens in death camps during WW2. I mean few are probably always deranged but there were thousands of them.
In recent times too when I see pictures and stories about Turkey I always think how is the majority of the police force going along with that stuff. Is there nobody who thinks about the whole picture? I mean often enough they only follow orders but it still makes me curious that so many are eager to follow even unlawful orders.
Most place I;ve worked I've been able to identify several people whose total absence of any morality in and out of the workplace would lead them, in the 'right' circumstances, to volunteering to shove people into ovens if it meant a good performance review.

I'm not kidding. Civilisation really is veneer thin. Instead of asking 'How could this have happened?' we should be asking ''What factors prevented it from happening more often?'.
02-18-2017 , 02:44 PM
Tommorrow is the 75th anniversary of Executive Order 9066 "to prescribe certain areas as military zones, clearing the way for the internment of Japanese Americans, German Americans and Italian-Americans to concentration camps in the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066


Expecting an egregious provocative insensitive hateful tweet, EO, proclamation, or other announcement, statement, or action from team trump soon.
02-18-2017 , 02:48 PM
Stanford Prison experiment is also relevant.

And those experiments are done on people who are only selected by being willing to volunteer for a study/test however they recruited. The camp guards, the SS, police in general are not randomly selected. They are selected for traits like willingness to use violence to achieve order under the command of the state.
02-18-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by florentinopeces
Never count on the military or intelligence services to protect civil liberties. If it gets to that, the cause is lost already.
Every country in the world ultimately depends on its military service to defend its liberties. The essential difference between a healthy democracy and, say Egypt, is that there's a set of institutional norms: the military stays apolitical, the police forces won't just round up minorities and throw them in camps if the president says so, everyone agrees to knock off what they're doing if the courts tell them to stop.

What we're about to find out is whether these sacred institutions and much-vaunted checks on power are actually for real or if they're just ceremonial trifles with no real power. One of the stories that went under-reported imo was the standoff between the CBP and the courts. CBP ultimately backed off, but what if they hadn't?
02-18-2017 , 02:57 PM
I would say, deeper than the military force and the courts and the law, freedom depends on close to universal expectation and demand for it from the population.
02-18-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I always assumed Staten Island is the home of all the uniformed goombas that actually make NYC function. The guys whose accents I instantly start mimicking when in NYC.
Pretty accurate.
02-18-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lumberajack
Where they were (politely) arrested.
02-18-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
Where they were (politely) arrested.
That's what they want, they get arrested for an illegal crossing and then they try for refugee status in Canada.
02-19-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Habsfan09
I often think about do you get so many people going along with the stuff. Despite a lot of research I never understand how normal people become wardens in death camps during WW2. I mean few are probably always deranged but there were thousands of them.
In recent times too when I see pictures and stories about Turkey I always think how is the majority of the police force going along with that stuff. Is there nobody who thinks about the whole picture? I mean often enough they only follow orders but it still makes me curious that so many are eager to follow even unlawful orders.
It always seems that law enforcement doesnt need much time to fall in line when dramatic changes in policies occur. Then you see some of these nutjob sheriffs tweeting and you ask yourself how did they become police in the first place. It seems to me that whereever you look law enforcement is just waiting to go crazy. Philippines are a great example as well. Lets just shoot everyone without due process.
Good point. We will not lose any freedoms because of radicals. But, when "regular" people go along with the "radicals".
02-19-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by florentinopeces
Never count on the military or intelligence services to protect civil liberties. If it gets to that, the cause is lost already.
Our military has fired on American protesters and killed their fellow citizens. We did that.

At the end of the Russia cold war era, they were rolling tanks into the Moscow streets to clear out the protesters, kill the protesters if neccessary. The soldiers didn't fire on their fellow citizens. That is what finally toppled communism.

China military rolled their tanks over the fellow citizens peacefully protesting.

I'd like to think that if it comes to that again that our military will not shoot to kill protesters.
02-19-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
Our military has fired on American protesters and killed their fellow citizens. We did that.

At the end of the Russia cold war era, they were rolling tanks into the Moscow streets to clear out the protesters, kill the protesters if neccessary. The soldiers didn't fire on their fellow citizens. That is what finally toppled communism.

China military rolled their tanks over the fellow citizens peacefully protesting.

I'd like to think that if it comes to that again that our military will not shoot to kill protesters.
That is not why tanks were in Moscow, and not what toppled the communist party. Please stop posting.
02-19-2017 , 03:32 PM
Six California teachers mocked students who skipped school on "day without immigrants" day

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Six high school employees in a predominantly Latino district in Southern California were placed on administrative leave after they posted social-media comments insulting students who skipped classes to participate in the “Day Without Immigrants” protest.

The employees — five teachers and one guidance coordinator — said classes were quieter and grades higher with the students gone. Words such as “lazy,” “drunk” and “failing” were used to describe those who were absent.
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The employees who wrote the social media comments all work at Rubidoux High School in Jurupa Unified School District, where more than 80 percent of students are Hispanic or Latino. Nearly 70 percent of the residents of Jurupa Valley, a city more than 40 miles outside downtown Los Angeles, are Hispanic or Latino.
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The images show that the Facebook conversation about the students appears to have been started by social science teacher Geoffrey Greer, who wrote that his class size was cut by half on Thursday — “best school day ever.” He said the reduction in class size “only served to SUPPORT Trump’s initiatives and prove how much better things might be without all this overcrowding.”

“That’s what you get when you jump on some sort of bandwagon cause as an excuse to be lazy and/or get drunk,” Greer wrote.
02-19-2017 , 03:45 PM
"failing", wonder where they got that insult from
02-19-2017 , 04:04 PM
Jurupa Valley is exactly the kind of place where you'd expect this. It's a ruralish area that was almost entirely white like 25 years ago.
02-19-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
That is not why tanks were in Moscow, and not what toppled the communist party. Please stop posting.
ahhh my first fan.
02-19-2017 , 05:16 PM
I agree with the teachers in every way except the dude who supported Trump. I am not anti-immigrant, and I support Day Without Immigrants as a way for migrant WORKERS to show how essential they are to the economy.

Really hate stories where teachers and educators are held to an absurd standard in their private discourse, way more than any other equally low paid, low prestige workers. Where is the outrage when an IT guy talks **** on social media about his clients? (Actually he's probably way better paid than those teachers).
02-19-2017 , 05:24 PM
It's not unheard of for private sector employers to fire people for dissing customers, then you add in the gross racism.
02-19-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
It's not unheard of for private sector employers to fire people for dissing customers, then you add in the gross racism.
What was the gross racism?

      
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