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02-15-2017 , 02:56 PM
Right, I was totally unfamiliar with the painting.
02-15-2017 , 02:58 PM
Nah, these guys know perfectly well why that **** is offensive --the cartoon wouldn't even make sense if the viewer doesn't know the context. Like, disgusting liberals and trivializing the civil rights movement is their goal, not some accidental side effect. The whole "why is this offensive?" shtick is just a ruse.
02-15-2017 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I mean, its just, Im completely mindblown that he even needs to explain why that cartoon is offensive and disgusting.

I just cant believe there are ppl that exist who need it spelled out.
This stuff is whitewashed to all hell in public schools. You would think that MLK came along, said some nice words, and all the white people decided civil rights was great and we all held hands and sung kumbayah and the VRA was passed unanimously from what I and many others learned of the Civil Rights movement in public school.
02-15-2017 , 04:46 PM
^yup, all the racists pre-CRA either magically saw the light and converted upon its passage or just disappeared into thin air never to be heard or seen from again. that's more or less the official story in any american school
02-15-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
This stuff is whitewashed to all hell in public schools. You would think that MLK came along, said some nice words, and all the white people decided civil rights was great and we all held hands and sung kumbayah and the VRA was passed unanimously from what I and many others learned of the Civil Rights movement in public school.
first Ive heard of this. I dont doubt it.

but it wasnt whitewashed at my nearly all white school of 2k. I remember seeing movies and about the riots and dogs and firehoses in school.

I did have an english teacher for a parent and was exposed to some civil rights books and I remember reading wright and baldwin. twain too really influenced me.
02-15-2017 , 05:08 PM
MLK said we shall overcome. Then they overcame. The end.
02-15-2017 , 05:18 PM
I imagine the civil rights movement is covered but current race relations are not.
02-16-2017 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
first Ive heard of this. I dont doubt it.

but it wasnt whitewashed at my nearly all white school of 2k. I remember seeing movies and about the riots and dogs and firehoses in school.

I did have an english teacher for a parent and was exposed to some civil rights books and I remember reading wright and baldwin. twain too really influenced me.
It was whitewashed where I grew up too (Morris County, NJ in the 80's).

The only time we talked about MLK was on MLK day. I remember being like 8-9 years old and thinking he ended slavery. I had no idea what segregation was until I was in middle school. Keep in mind Morris County is like top 1% of 1% of counties to live in as far as money goes. I can't even imagine how little the average school teaches about Civil Rights.
02-16-2017 , 05:51 PM
TRUMP gonna give us an even better more bigly muslin ban next week, meanwhile in TRUMPS AMERICA

02-16-2017 , 05:57 PM
Figured this belongs here. Both Kid Rock and Ted Nugent being talked up for Senate runs in Michigan in 2018.
02-16-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
TRUMP gonna give us an even better more bigly muslin ban next week, meanwhile in TRUMPS AMERICA

Is this another entrapment where the FBI talks someone into doing something horrible, gives them the tools they couldn't otherwise get, then arrest them for it?
02-16-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
It was whitewashed where I grew up too (Morris County, NJ in the 80's).

The only time we talked about MLK was on MLK day. I remember being like 8-9 years old and thinking he ended slavery. I had no idea what segregation was until I was in middle school. Keep in mind Morris County is like top 1% of 1% of counties to live in as far as money goes.I can't even imagine how little the average school teaches about Civil Rights.
Humble barg.
02-16-2017 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
TRUMP gonna give us an even better more bigly muslin ban next week, meanwhile in TRUMPS AMERICA

Perfect specimen of ubermensch Aryan manhood there.
02-16-2017 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Perfect specimen of ubermensch Aryan manhood there.
I used to make these jokes around Trump bootlicker types who think he's the paragon of the Alpha Male despite being a prissy obese germophobe who is apparently scared of stairs. They are honestly perplexed but not because they think I'm lying. I think they see it as self evident that you achieve ubermensch status not by looking like Adonis but instead through Triumph of the Will type stuff. That's why your average old dude guy with misogynist tendencies simply furious that bitch Hillary Clinton had the temerity to be a politician love fatso loudmouths like Trump and AM radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and hold them up as the paragons of masculinity. It's not like their normative masculine traits but instead their willingness to put ladies in their place and tell them what-for.

That this dude is a fatso mutt looking dude without any stereotypical Aryan features isn't a problem for the kind of people who fantasize about conquering inferior races. His willingness to take the battle to the enemy is qualifying.

The rule for these right-wing identity politics stuff is not to be the opposite of what you hate but to dominate it. In this sort of mindset then the opposite of Jew isn't a blond hair blue eyed Nazi poster art model but someone willing to kill Jews.

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02-16-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
The rule for these right-wing identity politics stuff is not to be the opposite of what you hate but to dominate it. In this sort of mindset then the opposite of Jew isn't a blond hair blue eyed Nazi poster art model but someone willing to kill Jews.
Spoiler:

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02-16-2017 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Figured this belongs here. Both Kid Rock and Ted Nugent being talked up for Senate runs in Michigan in 2018.
Clearly, the end times are upon us.
02-16-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by miajag
Maryland (like most blue states) goes from cosmopolitan to Deliverance real quick on the drive out into the boonies.
NYC goes from a district which voted 94.9% HRC, 2.4% DT (Park Slope, Brooklyn) to 78.2% DT, 20% HRC (southern part of Staten Island) within 15 miles. Almost incomprehensible changeover.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/num...al-primary-nyc
02-16-2017 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
NYC goes from a district which voted 94.9% HRC, 2.4% DT (Park Slope, Brooklyn) to 78.2% DT, 20% HRC (southern part of Staten Island) within 15 miles. Almost incomprehensible changeover.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/num...al-primary-nyc
State island is basically rural jersey-ites who "made it".
02-17-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
It was whitewashed where I grew up too (Morris County, NJ in the 80's).

The only time we talked about MLK was on MLK day. I remember being like 8-9 years old and thinking he ended slavery. I had no idea what segregation was until I was in middle school. Keep in mind Morris County is like top 1% of 1% of counties to live in as far as money goes. I can't even imagine how little the average school teaches about Civil Rights.
I don't remember exactly when we learned about it in FL in 80's, but I don't think it was until late elementary school. My son learned about MLK in pre-K. In kindergarten now, he just brought home stuff about Rosa Parks. I think things have changed quite a bit in the last 30 years.
02-17-2017 , 11:22 AM
02-17-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by stevepra
I don't remember exactly when we learned about it in FL in 80's, but I don't think it was until late elementary school. My son learned about MLK in pre-K. In kindergarten now, he just brought home stuff about Rosa Parks. I think things have changed quite a bit in the last 30 years.
I learned who MLK and Rosa Parks were, and maybe even about fire hoses being turned on people in the streets, but not so much about lynchings. To the extent that I did learn about them, I definitely didn't learn how incredibly common they were and how much of a viable political force they were during the so-called "Redemption" era. It was literally a successful terrorism campaign to disenfranchise black Americans that had just won their freedom from slavery and the north was complicit in it as well (see the Compromise of 1877). This and race relations from 1970--present are not taught very well. Recent history in particular, for example police shootings and mistreatment of black communities up to and including the present day (Flint Michigan, Ferguson, etc etc) is not taught whatsoever. This is a real problem.

Also not taught: Racial discrimination outside of the south (busing was controversial all over the country), The Great Migration, redlining, discriminatory labor practices pre-CRA and post-CRA, inequality in school systems that persists to this day (schools are more segregated now than 1960s), mass incarceration and the effect of The War on Drugs on our society including mass disenfranchisement, and to a great extent our sins involving Native Americans, the battle for LGBTQ rights and LGBTQ discrimination pre and post-2015.
02-17-2017 , 11:40 AM
Here's something they don't teach you in school as an American. One of the most shameful acts of our history and incredibly important in understanding how we got to this point, and almost noone knows about it.

Compromise of 1877
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h396.html
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In the months following the Election of 1876, but prior to the inauguration in March 1877, Republican and Democratic leaders secretly hammered out a compromise to resolve the election impasse and address other outstanding issues.

Under the terms of this agreement, the Democrats agreed to accept the Republican presidential electors (thus assuring that Rutherford B. Hayes would become the next president), provided the Republicans would agree to the following:
  • To withdraw federal soldiers from their remaining positions in the South
  • To enact federal legislation that would spur industrialization in the South
  • To appoint Democrats to patronage positions in the South
  • To appoint a Democrat to the president’s cabinet.

Once the parties had agreed to these terms, the Electoral Commission performed its duty. The Hayes’ electors were selected and Hayes was named president two days before the inauguration.

Why did the Democrats so easily give up the presidency that they had probably legitimately won? In the end it was a matter of practicality. Despite months of inflammatory talk, few responsible people could contemplate going to war. A compromise was mandatory and the one achieved in 1877, if it had been honored, would have given the Democrats what they wanted. There was no guarantee that with Samuel J. Tilden as president the Democrats would have fared as well.

To the four million former slaves in the South, the Compromise of 1877 was the “Great Betrayal." Republican efforts to assure civil rights for the blacks were totally abandoned. The white population of the country was anxious to get on with making money. No serious move to restore the rights of black citizens would surface again until the 1950s.
02-17-2017 , 11:42 AM
Yes the utter and ultimate failure of Reconstruction was a seminal turning point in American history that continues to have deep ramifications today. Obviously though Reconstruction was in an of itself just another point on the timeline of America's long history of migration (in the case of slavery, forced), integration, segregation and race.
02-17-2017 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Probably won't happen, but I could see there there being a lot of resistance from people in the National Guard. Like real resistance - refusal, desertions and such.
02-17-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Probably won't happen, but I could see there there being a lot of resistance from people in the National Guard. Like real resistance - refusal, desertions and such.
Just like CBP would totally desert rather than detain lawful permanent residents in defiance of a court order? I expect the vast majority will follow the order.

      
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