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12-27-2016 , 08:52 PM
Way to go SJWs, anything else you'd like to make reactionaries do?
12-27-2016 , 08:59 PM
Is Juan another POGger?
12-27-2016 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Isn't that obvious?
Yeah, was just checking. Wholeheartedly agree that gerrymandering undermines democracy and is responsible for a republican House advantage and state legislatures as well.

Disagree however on the electoral college and the presidency (at least to the degree I am inferring you place on it). Though that is not to say I do not support a complete overhaul of the national election process, both primary and general.
12-27-2016 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
That's because I personally don't care that you try so hard to make me out to be a white nationalist or a racist piece of garbage. I know who I am. I want pretty much the same things you do when it comes to equality and am not much more racist than you are (there may still be some nuances to racism that get that I have yet to grasp). We just have very different prescriptions for how to accomplish the objective.

You have it all backwards. It's not MY feelings that are being hurt. And it's not Stan you need to worry about offending. On the contrary, it's your SJW rhetoric that has caused STAN to be sick of having to walk on eggshells worrying about offending everyone else! He can't buy his kid a Halloween costume without worrying about it being offensive to someone. He's gotta learn newly invented gender neutral pronouns or he might offend. And god forbid he thinks ALL live matter, or he's called insensitive and a racist.

Stan is your typical American white rural male. He just doesn't get some of this stuff and by you lumping him into the same racist bag that Clement belongs in, you only alienate him further.

I go back to my original question to you: Do you even care about achieving true equality? Or do you prefer getting your kicks out of bashing those who aren't as sophisticated as you about the nuances of equality? Bashing is more fun, but it's not the solution.
C'mon. Your thoughts have some merit in that center-right people, or casual voters, might get pushed towards someone like Trump when they otherwise wouldn't be because they feel insulted by the so-called "coastal elites", but the bolded are just over the top examples. Very few people in real life care about these things, or make a big deal about them; they get talked about in the dark corners of the Internet by an infinitesimal part of the population, and Stan can ignore them anytime he wants. Stan's life doesn't include many daily instances where gender-based pronoun use becomes an issue.

Stan doesn't have to walk on eggshells to avoid being an outright racist or homophobe.

As far as fighting for true equality, yes, we libs really do want women to have control over their own bodies, religion not to rule all, gun violence cut down, and LGBTQ members to be able to marry who they choose. These aren't just talking points. Are we supposed to just throw up our hands and say, "hey, that's no problem, it's your opinion and we respect it. Let's go have a beer!" to Stan when he announces that Jim and John can't marry because Jesus told him it's bad in some book?
12-27-2016 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
That's another thing. You ardent SJWs outright lie! You should know very well I voted HRC. Not because I like her, but because Trump (and his voters) scare the living **** out of me. I mentioned this several times. But go ahead and continue making up outright lies in order to better suit your narrative.
Out of morbid curiosity, was there a Republican candidate in this year's field you'd have voted for > HRC?
12-27-2016 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
"I voted for Trump but he got elected because the liberals made me do it."

****ing seriously?
You'd think a few people on a poker forum would realize that "Do the opposite of whatever my right-wing news sites tell me liberals want me to do" is a somewhat exploitable strategy.
12-27-2016 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf


Read the whole thread
That Palladino guy who wished death on Obama and called Michelle a gorilla has indeed confirmed that he is not, himself, a racist. Not even close. The farthest thing from it.
12-27-2016 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigoldnit
Nailed it. "SJW" might be the new name, but the right blaming liberals for causing racism by identifying racism is not new. See, ex, the way the Chicago Tribune handled the assassination of MLK (definitely not racism, just one bad guy, that's all. Liberalism is the real problem.)


Nakedly obvious.
12-27-2016 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Way to go SJWs, anything else you'd like to make reactionaries do?
2017: FoxNews is telling me SJWs REALLY REALLY don't want tax cuts for the rich. **** those *******s. Oh man those tax cuts are going to make them squirm. Take THAT SJWS!!!

2018: Drudge is telling me SJWs love Medicare and Social Security. Oh man can you imagine the looks on their faces when we kill it? Totally worth it.

2019: Breitbart is telling me SJWs are totally in love with the 40-hour work week, national holidays, national parks, US Mail, child labor laws, OSHA, the USDA, and the clean air, clean water and Americans for disabilities acts. EAT **** LIBTARDS, REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL

2020: Mike Cernovich is telling me SJWs think tactical nukes are dangerous. ****ing PUSSIES!!!
12-27-2016 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
IDK if it was the same in America, but back when I was in early high school in the early 90s, I was explicitly taught that "multiculturalism", where immigrants retain their own culture, was righteous and good and the policy of an enlightened Australia, whereas "assimilation", where immigrants bought into a shared culture and set of values, was wrong and evil and belonged in our shameful and unenlightened past.
Depends who you talk to. As a teenager, I lived in white bread Pennsylvania. We had the token black family and token Latino kid in my graduating class. Multiculturalism was never really brought up but neither was assimilation.

It wasn't until college that I learned all about being PC and words for this group and that group. Wasn't really much discussion on whether or not cultural diversity was good or bad. We were just told it was and that was that.
12-27-2016 , 10:14 PM
It's all a matter of degrees. America IMO would be a much worse place if a) every immigrant group immediately assimilated to some weird white bread idea of American culture or b) never assimilated at all.

I love living in LA and being exposed to a seemingly infinite number of other cultures. But obviously if those cultures stayed as isolated as say Muslims in France (from what I've read anyway) - that would be no good.

Above all either keep the food, or fuse it with local ingredients and cultures - but please never lose it. Well unless you're from somewhere like Romania or Burma where the food supposedly sucks.
12-27-2016 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's all a matter of degrees. America IMO would be a much worse place if a) every immigrant group immediately assimilated to some weird white bread idea of American culture or b) never assimilated at all.

I love living in LA and being exposed to a seemingly infinite number of other cultures. But obviously if those cultures stayed as isolated as say Muslims in France (from what I've read anyway) - that would be no good.

Above all either keep the food, or fuse it with local ingredients and cultures - but please never lose it. Well unless you're from somewhere like Romania or Burma where the food supposedly sucks.
I went to a Burmese restaurant for the first time a few weeks ago. It was Daw Yee Myanmar Corner on Sunset in Silverlake and it was good. Different. Certainly not sucky.
12-27-2016 , 10:30 PM
They probably cleaned it up for your American palate.
12-27-2016 , 11:06 PM
I don't know much about Burmese food but given the proximity to India, China and Thailand, there is almost no way that it is terrible.

A simple google image search looks amazing.
12-27-2016 , 11:15 PM
My gf says it's greasy and weird. She's from the area and likes most other foods. Maybe it's just the one all the rest of the countries in the region make fun of.
12-27-2016 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It's all a matter of degrees. America IMO would be a much worse place if a) every immigrant group immediately assimilated to some weird white bread idea of American culture or b) never assimilated at all.

I love living in LA and being exposed to a seemingly infinite number of other cultures. But obviously if those cultures stayed as isolated as say Muslims in France (from what I've read anyway) - that would be no good.
Completely agree with all of this. No question that I've become enriched through be exposed to other cultures and other ways of life.
12-28-2016 , 12:23 AM
I'm not entirely sold on how Stan gets from point A to B, much less point X to Y.

(grunching the Stan dissection a bit)

Everybody's aware of it being possible to have minority friends and still be racist, but the other part of, "I'm not racist, some of my best are _____," is a comic trope where the person is lying, because the mailman doesn't count, and the bag boy at the grocer doesn't count, and even the coworker you occasionally have lunch with in the break room doesn't count. Chris Rock has arguably the most famous bit (cracker-ass-cracker) but there are variations after and before, going back decades that predate most of us being born (Dick Gregory et al).

Despite the comedy there's much truth here. Sure, people can grow up in a racist environment, then make minority friends, yet still harbor some racism. Sure. But if the people are your actual friends, like, what, the godfather of Stan's child is black, and he barbecues and watches the Sunday games with another, Stan has black friends coming in the windows, it gets exponentially harder to not support and vote against their interests, along with simply buying in to racist ballyhoo and malarkey. Trump says black folk live in hellholes and shoot each other, and Stan says, you mean Black Bob and Black Joe, they're just dudes who put their pants on in the morning, same as I do, wtf are u even talking about?

This concept received a lot of attention this election, but it's nothing new. Overlay a map of even marginally integrated communities on a map of blue counties and they line up to a shocking degree, not just cities but any little backwoods place where white people get more exposure to minorities than just Science Fiction As Brought To You by FoxNews.

Basically, I reject the mere notion of hypo-Stan without more info.
12-28-2016 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
They voted Trump as a way to tell SJWs who kept on bashing them for being racist when they believed that they weren't to go **** themselves. They don't give a **** if it makes them look racist or not. They just want to see some SJW butthurt. It was the ultimate **** you move to the doctrine of political correctness that has taken a hold of American culture and ostracized people for not using the proper gender pronouns or not calling poor people "low income citizens" and bull**** like that.

Blaming one group or another is pointless. Everybody played a role in getting Trump elected. Whether you're a Trump supporter, didn't vote, or a Clinton supporter, you are a part of the outcome. Arguing over which group is more to blame is purely academic and only focuses on the past when people should be focusing on trying to minimize the inevitable mistakes that will be made in the future.
Bolded is funny given the the paragraph that preceded it.


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Originally Posted by Lestat
Except it's not the dumb racists that got Trump elected.

It was the dumb SJWs.
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
So when dumb SJWs went into voting stations, their votes were changed to Trump?
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
I think we can safely say trump voters are more to blame for trump winning than are Clinton voters.
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Safely? On aggregate it's probably true but the variance for any given trump or clinton voter is huge. There are probably millions of clinton voters who are more to blame than millions of other trump voters.
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Originally Posted by microbet
There are probably millions of people who voted for Clinton who are more responsible for Trump winning the election than millions of people who voted for Trump?
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
I shouldn't have said probably I meant certainly.
Even going down the rabbit hole and agreeing it was the dems who got Trump elected, at least the dems wanted Clinton to win the election, that's gotta be worth something, right? Or does the rabbit hole go so deep that not only is it the dems who are responsible for Trump's win, it was the dems who actually wanted Trump to win because they would have behaved differently if they truly wanted Clinton to win?
12-28-2016 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
My gf says it's greasy and weird. She's from the area and likes most other foods. Maybe it's just the one all the rest of the countries in the region make fun of.
You didn't break up?
12-28-2016 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
So you're comfortable with calling a lady who stole a mint out of jar a criminal? How about in mixed company in front of others? Seems a little harsh to me.

People were also clever enough to come up with words like Kleptomania to differentiate between true criminality from mental deficiencies.
Aye, and people came up "racial/cultural insensitivity" and "microagression" and so forth but that's when All Hell Really Broke Loose, so, *cough*, I guess.

And hypo-Stan is losing even more credibility. It sounds to me like he's the token racist white friend in a group of black dudes, and they bring him around for some good-natured clowning, like, "Stan here thinks we all love watermelon but I eat that stuff maybe once or twice year on the 4th of July and other holidays, if that. Crazy, right?"
12-28-2016 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Out of morbid curiosity, was there a Republican candidate in this year's field you'd have voted for > HRC?
I maybe...maybe... would've considered Kasich. But I'd have grimaced. Take away Trump's complete unfitness for the office, and I dislike Cruz even more than Trump. I used to consider myself a full fledged Democrat, but I now think BOTH parties are corrupt as ****!

And for my "out of morbid curiosity" question to all those saying only a racist could vote for Trump... How do you explain all the black and Hispanic people who voted for him? Are they racist too?
12-28-2016 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
And hypo-Stan is losing even more credibility. It sounds to me like he's the token racist white friend in a group of black dudes, and they bring him around for some good-natured clowning, like, "Stan here thinks we all love watermelon but I eat that stuff maybe once or twice year on the 4th of July and other holidays, if that. Crazy, right?"
Why? Why would you think that?! You're black, right? Why can't Fred be a middle class black dude, from a middle class mixed neighborhood, hanging out with black and white friends alike? Are you a ****ing racist?!?!
12-28-2016 , 01:22 AM
12-28-2016 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Aye, and people came up "racial/cultural insensitivity" and "microagression" and so forth but that's when All Hell Really Broke Loose, so, *cough*, I guess.

And hypo-Stan is losing even more credibility. It sounds to me like he's the token racist white friend in a group of black dudes, and they bring him around for some good-natured clowning, like, "Stan here thinks we all love watermelon but I eat that stuff maybe once or twice year on the 4th of July and other holidays, if that. Crazy, right?"
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Why? Why would you think that?! You're black, right? Why can't Fred be a middle class black dude, from a middle class mixed neighborhood, hanging out with black and white friends alike? Are you a ****ing racist?!?!
Fred can be all those things (although middle class mixed neighbourhood doesn't sound like the rural America I hear about), but if Stan finds himself getting into quagmires over bolded:

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Originally Posted by Lestat
You have it all backwards. It's not MY feelings that are being hurt. And it's not Stan you need to worry about offending. On the contrary, it's your SJW rhetoric that has caused STAN to be sick of having to walk on eggshells worrying about offending everyone else! He can't buy his kid a Halloween costume without worrying about it being offensive to someone. He's gotta learn newly invented gender neutral pronouns or he might offend. And god forbid he thinks ALL live matter, or he's called insensitive and a racist.

Stan is your typical American white rural male. He just doesn't get some of this stuff and by you lumping him into the same racist bag that Clement belongs in, you only alienate him further.
doesn't it follow that he'd also believe that black people love watermelon?
12-28-2016 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
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The causality is simple, people are just in denial about it (or pretending to be). For example when some are hateful towards a large group then those people who percieve their community is being hated on dont want to see the party of the people who hate them winning so some will abstain or vote for the other side even if they have to hold their noses

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This makes 0 sense.

      
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