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03-11-2019 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
What do you think Americans should do
Soylent Green?

Not sure what you are hoping to get out of me on this. If you let them stay, you encourage more of it and have nothing in place to accommodate them. If you turn them away at the wall, maybe they die alone in the desert somewhere, maybe they get back to wherever home is.

If I have a kid I don't want, are you cool with me dropping it off at the gates of some ritzy 1%er community and saying, "Here, this is your problem now"?

Probably not. That kid is going to wind up in the system and forced to roll the most important dice of their life. The foster system is already FUBAR, so why are you seemingly suggesting that we dump even more bodies into it?

That's all that seems to be happening here, but on a more international level. Unimaginably poor kids are being dropped at GOATUSA's doorstep with the expectation that we'll just handle it. We have our own poor kids to deal with, and Big Daddy Bezos doesn't have enough money to feed them, much less all the poor kids in the entire world.
03-11-2019 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Soylent Green?

Not sure what you are hoping to get out of me on this. If you let them stay, you encourage more of it and have nothing in place to accommodate them. If you turn them away at the wall, maybe they die alone in the desert somewhere, maybe they get back to wherever home is.

If I have a kid I don't want, are you cool with me dropping it off at the gates of some ritzy 1%er community and saying, "Here, this is your problem now"?

Probably not. That kid is going to wind up in the system and forced to roll the most important dice of their life. The foster system is already FUBAR, so why are you seemingly suggesting that we dump even more bodies into it?

That's all that seems to be happening here, but on a more international level. Unimaginably poor kids are being dropped at GOATUSA's doorstep with the expectation that we'll just handle it. We have our own poor kids to deal with, and Big Daddy Bezos doesn't have enough money to feed them, much less all the poor kids in the entire world.
I expect you to answer the question.

I'm not cool with you dropping your kid off at some rich person's house, but I would want that kid well taken care of and not put in any kind of jail. You didn't ask me what I'd do with those children, but it'd be the best I could. In most cases I think there is family in the US to place the children with. That would obviously be best. Foster care is still better than prison imo. (I'd let their parents in too and allow them to work, so I don't think it would be as much of a problem.)

I asked what you'd do. How about answering?
03-11-2019 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I expect you to answer the question.
LOL
03-11-2019 , 02:36 PM
I personally would feel very badly about turning them away at the border, but the needs of the many and all that.

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In most cases I think there is a family in the US to place the children with. That would obviously be best. Foster care is still better than prison imo.
A family, but not YOUR family. That's the reality for countless kids in ****ty temporary situations right now.

Wind farms are great, but not in MY neighborhood.

No child should ever go hungry, but I couldn't possibly feed one on my budget. (Sent from my iphone10xS)

Yes, we've established that some people in our society have absolutely no qualms about making grandiose promises with other peoples' time and money.
03-11-2019 , 02:39 PM
If we had 20% unemployment and didn't have an aging population, geez, it might be possible to get your head around this without thinking it's just racism.

How we handle these young immigrants is we let the more financially successful of them pay taxes that become our social security checks and pay our enormous hospital bills and the less financially successful of them clean our house, cut our grass, work at our restaurants, harvest our crops, slaughter our farm animals, wipe our asses in the old folk's home ..... geez maybe prison or sending them back into the desert would be better for them. Not for us though.
03-11-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I personally would feel very badly about turning them away at the border, but the needs of the many and all that.



A family, but not YOUR family. That's the reality for countless kids in ****ty temporary situations right now.

Wind farms are great, but not in MY neighborhood.

No child should ever go hungry, but I couldn't possibly feed one on my budget. (Sent from my iphone10xS)

Yes, we've established that some people in our society have absolutely no qualms about making grandiose promises with other peoples' time and money.
You still haven't answered. Turning them away at the border isn't an answer. They are already in. What do you do with the undocumented children in the US?

I said "a family", but meant "family". Most of these children have family in the US. Their family.
03-11-2019 , 02:52 PM
Ins0 doesn't care what happens to them as long as none of his precious resources are used to take care of them and/or actually benefit them. On the other hand caging them seems like a place he is just fine having his precious resources spent.

He is literally a horrible person but we all knew that already.
03-11-2019 , 02:56 PM
How many are we talking about?

If it's a relatively small number, I'm sure you can start a twitter hashtag to find them homes with people who need only be rewarded by social media cred. You cleaned up 10 bags of trash? Pfft, I gave a human child a home, *****. Likes for DAYS!

If it's hundreds of thousands? Send them home or consult Tyson Foods for other ways of dealing with too many unwanted babies.

You don't seriously think that some random dude you dislike on the internet has been holding the secret all this time, so you know as well as I do that there is no good answer to this problem aside from making sure it doesn't get any larger. But I'd personally send back as many as you can, and give the twitter thing a try for the rest of them. Giving them away on the internet absolutely cannot be any worse than the current foster system.
03-11-2019 , 02:56 PM
Ins0 doesn’t even want school lunch programs for America kids, he’s lol obviously not going to want Mexican kids to get a handout.
03-11-2019 , 03:06 PM
Dress up your racism all you want Inso. You're still a pig.
03-11-2019 , 03:16 PM
Inso0,

You're wrong about everything. The US would benefit from unlimited immigration, as it has in the past.

My point though is that when you say and think things like "Who is this crazy dude screaming at me about protocols that were in place during the Obama administration?" it's you lying. You're pretending that you'd have a problem with some kind of harsh treatment of these kids, but you wouldn't. You're lying.

I don't know this for a fact, but I assume you're kidding about turning these children into food, but I know "lol Obama" did it is disingenuous.
03-11-2019 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WichitaDM
Ins0 doesn't care what happens to them as long as none of his precious resources are used to take care of them and/or actually benefit them. On the other hand caging them seems like a place he is just fine having his precious resources spent.

He is literally a horrible person but we all knew that already.
I do have an extra bedroom and honestly would sign up to take someone in, but I admit that I'm not an "unconditional love" kind of guy. My wife and I have discussed adoption, but it's a huge leap of faith, and not a decision you can undo. Friends of ours adopted a pair of girls from Nigeria in 2008 and the kids are great, but it's a MAJOR emotional, time, and money commitment to adopt kids that young. We don't want little kids around the house again. When we contacted Children's Hospital in 2016 to inquire about teenage adoption, our first meeting was with a person like that jaded woman in "Instant Family" and was she VERY clear about what sort of psychosocial issues typically come along with teenage adoption. It sort of sat on the back burner, but then my wife then quit her teaching job in 2017, finances tightened, and we haven't really revisited the topic.

Maybe someday.
03-11-2019 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Ins0 doesn’t even want school lunch programs for America kids, he’s lol obviously not going to want Mexican kids to get a handout.


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03-11-2019 , 03:27 PM
Just disgusting.
03-11-2019 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You're wrong about everything. The US would benefit from unlimited immigration, as it has in the past.
Yeah, that's not accurate. You should brush up on your history a bit.
03-11-2019 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Yeah, that's not accurate. You should brush up on your history a bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States

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This is the history of laws concerning immigration and naturalization in the United States. Immigration is distinct from naturalization. For the first century of the United States' history, immigration to the country was unrestricted. Anyone could move into the United States, start a new life, pay taxes, participate in military service and conduct business. However, while the United States had an "open-borders" policy for the first century of its existence, meaning anyone could immigrate into the country without any restrictions, it had very clear naturalization laws from the first years of its existence. Anyone who wanted to vote or hold elective office had to be naturalized. That is, anyone could immigrate in, but only those who went through the naturalization process and became a citizen could vote or hold elective office.

This set of policies, in which open immigration was permitted, but naturalization was tightly controlled, persisted until the 1870s and 1880s, when growing support for eugenics eventually drove the US government to adopt immigration laws. These laws were intended to end the open immigration policy which the Founding Fathers had permitted, in favor of preventing "racial taint" from immigrants who entered from undesirable countries.
Open until we switched to the Eugenics based immigration system.
03-11-2019 , 03:46 PM
Any other policies from the 1700s you'd like to reintroduce to modern society without first stopping to think about how things might have changed since then?

I might even be open to the idea if we can also recreate the actual process of getting to the US 250 years ago, right down to diet and medical care. Those who survive the trip should be first in line for citizenship. We'd be silly to turn them away.
03-11-2019 , 03:52 PM
I'd like to bring back whatever policies from the 1700s that increase personal freedom like open immigration and Presidents who grow pot. But then, I'm a freedom lover. You, not so much.
03-11-2019 , 03:56 PM
Love when people who don’t know our history try to give lessons. Least he is brushed up now.
03-11-2019 , 04:01 PM
You're still being awfully liberal with your definition of "open immigration" here. Open, to those who can pay for and survive a 7 week transatlantic journey packed into a boat like sardines, only to be rewarded by working 70+ hours a week to eke out a living in hopes that you're able to produce and feed enough children to carry on your family name. In that sense, then yeah I suppose we had open immigration.

Today, we've had to crack down a bit given that those who won't be able to pull their own weight aren't going to simply be allowed to starve or **** themselves to death with cholera.
03-11-2019 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
You're still being awfully liberal with your definition of "open immigration" here. Open, to those who can pay for and survive a 7 week transatlantic journey packed into a boat like sardines, only to be rewarded by working 70+ hours a week to eke out a living in hopes that you're able to produce and feed enough children to carry on your family name. In that sense, then yeah I suppose we had open immigration.

Today, we've had to crack down a bit given that those who won't be able to pull their own weight aren't going to simply be allowed to starve or **** themselves to death with cholera.
1. You r views are promoting going back to that state of cruelty and death
2. You are incredibly prejudiced
3. Immigrants pull their weight and are net tax payers.
03-11-2019 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
You're still being awfully liberal with your definition of "open immigration" here. Open, to those who can pay for and survive a 7 week transatlantic journey packed into a boat like sardines, only to be rewarded by working 70+ hours a week to eke out a living in hopes that you're able to produce and feed enough children to carry on your family name. In that sense, then yeah I suppose we had open immigration.

Today, we've had to crack down a bit given that those who won't be able to pull their own weight aren't going to simply be allowed to starve or **** themselves to death with cholera.
I just love freedom man. You, not so much.
03-11-2019 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
You're still being awfully liberal with your definition of "open immigration" here. Open, to those who can pay for and survive a 7 week transatlantic journey packed into a boat like sardines, only to be rewarded by working 70+ hours a week to eke out a living in hopes that you're able to produce and feed enough children to carry on your family name. In that sense, then yeah I suppose we had open immigration.

Today, we've had to crack down a bit given that those who won't be able to pull their own weight aren't going to simply be allowed to starve or **** themselves to death with cholera.
Do you really believe any of that? You have no clue. None.
03-11-2019 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Inso0,

What do you think Americans should do with unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US without legal status?
First thing you need top do is come up with a better system of tracking what you do with them when they arrive.
First solution should be relatives in the USA if they have them . If they don't your screwed. Foster System screwed. Volunteers to take them? Problem is they may end up in a Florida Massage studio giving Robert Kraft a BJ
Maybe you reach out more to non profit agencies and churches but I sure as heck would not trust the catholic church.

Sadly the problem is going to get worse with Central Americans coming. I am surprised we are not seeing more Venezuelans?

I think the solution is to eliminate the reason they are coming. That is even a bigger problem
03-11-2019 , 04:23 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...em-study-says/
By the time refugees who entered the U.S. as adults have been here for 20 years, they will have paid, on average, $21,000 more in taxes to all levels of government than they received in benefits over that time span, according to a working paper released Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research that examined the economic and social outcomes of refugees in the U.S.

“There was a lot of rhetoric saying these people cost too much, but we didn’t actually know what that number was,” said William N. Evans, an economist at the University of Notre Dame who co-authored the paper.

...

Evans and his colleague Daniel Fitzgerald responded, estimating that it costs the U.S. an average of $15,000 to resettle each refugee, including the cost of background checks, housing, English lessons and job training.

In addition, refugees, unlike other immigrants, are eligible for welfare cash assistance, food stamps and Medicaid. Those social safety net costs amount to roughly $92,000 in benefits over a refugee’s first 20 years in the U.S. — while the refugee pays a total of $129,000 in taxes over the same time period, researchers found.

      
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