Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Trump’s America Trump’s America

05-31-2018 , 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dth123451
Wait so being drunk is now grounds for getting shot by the police?
Naw it's mostly the being black part, being drunk just gives juries another out to blame it on the black guy
05-31-2018 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkubus
Doing absolutely anything at all is grounds for getting shot by the police.
So long as you're black
05-31-2018 , 06:09 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1002276938872971264
05-31-2018 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dth123451
Wait so being drunk is now grounds for getting shot by the police?
And the garage door was closed. He was just chilling in his garage listening to music at 3 PM.
05-31-2018 , 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Drunk black guy shot by white cops at fault for playing music in his garage. Jury awards his estate 4 cents. Judge says "LOL juries" and reduces it to nothing.

Because jurors also found that the sheriff’s office was only 1 percent at fault in the death, that award was reduced to four cents. And furthermore, because jurors found that Mr. Hill was intoxicated and mostly to blame for the shooting, a lawyer for his family said Tuesday that a judge would reduce the four-cent award to nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/u...t-florida.html
This is one of the craziest stories I've ever read. The NYT does a bad job telling it, but here is the sequence of events as near as I can tell.

- Drunk guy is playing loud music in his garage with the door closed.
- Cops bang on the door to ask him to turn it down.
- Drunk guy opens the door. He has a gun, but it's not clear whether he was holding it or it was just in his pocket.
- ???
- Drunk guy eventually closes the garage door leaving the cops outside.
- Cops shoot THROUGH THE DOOR, killing the guy, I guess thinking that he closed the door to shoot them from the other side.

If you live your life in constant fear and fire your gun at your own shadow because you thought it was a scary black guy coming for you, like maybe don't become a cop. Maybe Build-a-Bear has an opening you can fill. Casper mattresses.
05-31-2018 , 09:30 PM
At least according to the Vox article, there was no intervening time. Hill instantly closed the door when he saw police.

Quote:
The New York Times reports that Hill, a 30-year old Coca-Cola warehouse employee, was in his garage at the time of the shooting. Deputies were called to his home after a woman picking a child up from a nearby elementary school complained of loud music coming from his garage.

When the deputies arrived, they knocked on the garage door. Hill raised the garage door but then closed it after seeing police. A deputy then shot through the door four times as it closed, hitting Hill once in the head and twice in the abdomen. He was found dead four hours later after a SWAT team came to the home.
Seems like an open and shut justified shooting. I mean if you're a black guy and close a door in the faces of police, you die. That's just how it's gotta go down.

Naturally, the police said that he was holding his gun during their conversation, but:

Quote:
The only gun recovered was found in Mr. Hill’s back pocket and was not loaded. Lawyers have argued about whether it was possible for Mr. Hill to have moved the gun to his pocket after the garage door closed.
Or instead of arguing over outlandish explanations, maybe we could simply assume that the people who always lie about what happened are lying again.
05-31-2018 , 10:02 PM
Most people's minds won't even allow for the possibility that the police would routinely lie.
05-31-2018 , 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisV
At least according to the Vox article, there was no intervening time. Hill instantly closed the door when he saw police.



Seems like an open and shut justified shooting. I mean if you're a black guy and close a door in the faces of police, you die. That's just how it's gotta go down.

Naturally, the police said that he was holding his gun during their conversation, but:



Or instead of arguing over outlandish explanations, maybe we could simply assume that the people who always lie about what happened are lying again.
He obviously put the gun back into his pocket after being shot 4 times. Duh
05-31-2018 , 11:12 PM
And unloaded the gun. Checkmate.
06-01-2018 , 12:15 AM
The hilarious/tragic thing about the story is that the victim's thought process was probably like:

"Oh ****, cops. I'm drunk and I have a gun on me. I better not interact with them at all or they will shoot me. OK, got it. I'll just close the door and turn off the music. They'll be pissed, but at least I'll be alive."

But nah, not even being outside of their field of vision will save you.
06-01-2018 , 07:47 AM
The full story is so much worse than the headline.

1. A jury trolling with a $4 award for a guy murdered by police
2. The judge super trolling by reducing the award to $.04
3. The facts are absurd: they fired THROUGH A DOOR YET SOMEHOW GOT AWAY WITH CLAIMING SELF DEFENSE
4. Everyone, including the god damn NYT writer, accepting the self defense claim because he was drunk (WTF?)
5. NYT further embarrassing itself by noting his "HISTORY OF SERIOUS TRAFFIC OFFENSES," a) that's an oxymoron, b) it's totally irrelevant to these facts
6. Nobody seems to care that the cops are obviously lying about his gun. There is no way they saw it, or were threatened by it when they fired, since a) again, he was BEHIND A CLOSED DOOR, and b) it was in his back pocket - what did he do, holster his weapon after his head was blown open?

Rage.
06-01-2018 , 08:22 AM
The fact that this isn't leading the news is abominable.

As long as Trump being deplorable dominates the news, then it will be almost impossible for Democrats to get their messaging across.

Of course, the news loves Trump and wants him to continue being POTUS. No surprise that they'd block out Democrat messaging.
06-01-2018 , 12:58 PM
Quote:
4. Everyone, including the god damn NYT writer, accepting the self defense claim because he was drunk (WTF?)
5. NYT further embarrassing itself by noting his "HISTORY OF SERIOUS TRAFFIC OFFENSES," a) that's an oxymoron, b) it's totally irrelevant to these facts
They also wrote that he was "over the legal limit". The legal limit for... being in his garage listening to music? You aren't allowed to drink while listening to music in your own home?

Goddamn incredible stuff, like it's the sort of **** you'd think some leftist would write as a parody of tonedeaf "no angel" NYT writing.
06-01-2018 , 01:03 PM
Congressional Candidate In Virginia Admits He’s A Pedophile
Nathan Larson, a 37-year-old accountant from Charlottesville, Virginia, is running for Congress as an independent candidate in his native state. He is also a pedophile, as he admitted to HuffPost on Thursday, who has bragged in website posts about raping his late ex-wife.

...

When asked what his constituents would think about his pedophiliac writings, he said, “People are open-minded.”

He continued, “A lot of people who disagreed with someone like Trump … might vote for them anyway just because the establishment doesn’t like them.”
06-01-2018 , 01:29 PM
From the "I never thought my face would get eaten" department, from this story about vulnerable Republicans trying to force Paul Ryan to hold a debate on immigration/DACA

Quote:
Christine Hackler, 70, an almond farmer and registered Democrat who voted for Donald J. Trump in 2016, complained that laborers were not showing up for work, for fear that immigration authorities will conduct a sweep and deport them. Like many agricultural employers here, she is up in arms over Congress’s failure to create a new guest worker program for laborers — and has told Mr. Denham so.
Voting for the guy who campaigned on deporting your workers and being shocked when he wants to deport your workers...I can't even
06-01-2018 , 02:14 PM
There are a lot of those types who don't really get that all the **** people like Trump talk about immigrants being criminals and MS-13 members is just a dog whistle. They literally assume that gangbangers are the only ones who are actually getting rounded up.
06-01-2018 , 03:58 PM
Tell that 70 year old hag to stop complaining and get to work. This is what she wanted. She got it. So what's the problem?
06-01-2018 , 09:10 PM
A roofer I know says he's having a hard time with jobs in San Diego because the workers don't want to go down there. (From LA - there are checkpoints around San Diego, but not around LA.)

The stupid media, NPR for **** sake, is just going along with low unemployment and the Dow Jones having something to do with Trump.
06-01-2018 , 09:22 PM
We are so lucky there hasn't been a massive external event.

There will, of course, be consequences to all of this, but the lag could be substantial. W was a god awful president for 7 ****ing years before the wheels came off.
06-02-2018 , 12:07 AM
right in my backyard

06-02-2018 , 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dth123451
We are so lucky there hasn't been a massive external event.

There will, of course, be consequences to all of this, but the lag could be substantial. W was a god awful president for 7 ****ing years before the wheels came off.
Part of what worries me is the rest of the world after Bush was like "Yea, the US ****ed up but hey, they voted Obama. Trust the US to do the right thing." And then Trump became POTUS. That action alone set the US back decades. Like, how do you trust the US from here on out? The ****ing dotard put a tariff on Canada for chrissakes.

But hey, at least awval and rara got there sweet $20 tax breaks.
06-02-2018 , 03:49 AM
Although it is a far less important aspect to this case than the apparently horrible verdict, there is the issue of the single digit damages. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I always thought that such damages were similar to a nickel tip for bad service to ensure that the waitress realized you didn't merely forget. Sort of a purposeful insult to the plaintiff. (An exception might be slander or libel suits.)

But it would seem to me that such a reward should never be used when someone dies. Both for mathematical reasons (one percent of infinity is still infinity) and because it is obscenely insensitive.
06-02-2018 , 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
Congressional Candidate In Virginia Admits He’s A Pedophile
Nathan Larson, a 37-year-old accountant from Charlottesville, Virginia, is running for Congress as an independent candidate in his native state. He is also a pedophile, as he admitted to HuffPost on Thursday, who has bragged in website posts about raping his late ex-wife.

...

When asked what his constituents would think about his pedophiliac writings, he said, “People are open-minded.”

He continued, “A lot of people who disagreed with someone like Trump … might vote for them anyway just because the establishment doesn’t like them.”
This has to be some sort of wind-up, right?

Quote:
According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

In the manifesto, Larson called Nazi leader Adolf Hitler a “white supremacist hero.” He urged Congress to repeal the Violence Against Women Act, adding, “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands.” He also showed sympathy for men who identify as involuntary celibates, or incels, suggesting it is unfair that they “are forced to pay taxes for schools, welfare, and other support for other men’s children.”
Quote:
In a 3,300-word essay on incelocalypse.today, titled “Here’s How to Psyche Yourself Up to Feel Entitled to Rape,” Larson tells other members: “Don’t forget: feminism is the problem, and rape is the solution.” On the platform, he also advocated for father-daughter marriage, killing women and raping virgins.
Kudos to him for being up front about it, I guess.
06-02-2018 , 05:54 AM
Seems like a troll.
06-02-2018 , 06:49 AM
He's not a troll. Or if he is, he's a particularly dedicated one. He was briefly married to a woman and had a child with her. The woman committed suicide in 2015 and Larson sought custody, which was denied, obviously. WARNING! If you're easily affected by disturbing ****, do not click through to the article, nor read the following quote, which I'll spoiler. It's pretty awful.

Spoiler:
Quote:
Finn did have a restraining order against Larson, though Larson claims that their rocky marriage, which lasted less than a year, only included verbal altercations.

In an email that was an exhibit for the case, however, Larson admits to abuse, including raping Finn, and apologizes that his desire to molest their children caused Finn stress.

"It didn't concern me that given my history of raping you, as well as the gravity of what I was proposing doing with the children, I might irreparably destroy our relationship and any prospect of my ever seeing the children (especially unsupervised)," he wrote.

And in a legal document that Finn filled out to waive child support in February, he writes of Larson, "During our relationship, he was severely emotionally and sexually abusive towards me. He stated multiple times that he wanted to have sex with a child. He talked about how he would manipulate and trick the child into giving him sex, told me he wouldn't love the child if they did not have sex with him, and stated he had no interest in children other than sexual ... [He] raped me until I was pregnant and stated his intention to have sex with my child after she was born."


Good news for Trump, who is now definitively not the worst person to ever run for public office in the United States.

      
m