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04-14-2018 , 07:14 PM
White supremacists are building bombs and unarmed, peaceful black males are being shot at and arrested for not ordering coffee fast enough, yet the majority of white people think they face discrimination because they can’t use the n word yet still can be called a cracker.
04-14-2018 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
This racist ******* is probably a 60-40 favorite to be acquitted. Probably about a 30% chance of getting convicted on a lesser charge and 10% of actually getting convicted of the full slate of charges.

They'll argue that he heard his wife screaming, saw a strange man at the door, and that a reasonable person would react with lethal violence to defend their spouse and home in that scenario.

Thank God he missed. That kid should also sue the **** out of that couple in civil court.
Agree with all of this. Few questions for anyone who has answers:

1. Does the wife screaming bloody murder knowing her husband is probably going to come down with a shotgun put any criminal responsibility on her? I realize that even if she does, jury probably wouldn't act on it.

2. If I'm not mistaken he is shooting as the kid is running away, right? Even if he thought his wife was in danger, he doesn't get to shoot him down at that point, right?

3. As far as the civil suit is concerned, do you really think it's worth pursuing? If the kid is uninjured, I figure a jury will just shrug and say, "No harm, no foul" and award him about $3.50.

Last edited by Melkerson; 04-14-2018 at 10:00 PM.
04-14-2018 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
Two black men removed from a Starbucks in handcuffs because they were waiting for a friend to arrive before ordering:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/starbucks...investigating/
So, how does everyone divide blame here between Starbucks employee(s) and the police?
04-14-2018 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
So, how does everyone divide blame here between Starbucks employee(s) and the police?
Not really sure how that works, but 100% and 100% for their individual parts. They both failed in their responsibility regardless of how the other acted.
04-14-2018 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Not really sure how that works, but 100% and 100% for their individual parts. They both failed in their responsibility regardless of how the other acted.
Well, that's a good start. Now all you need to decide is is which of the individual parts was worse and if you give me a relative worseness, then we can normalize to 100%.
04-14-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Agree with all of this. Few questions for anyone who has answers:

1. Does the wife screaming bloody murder knowing her husband is probably going to come down with a shotgun put any criminal responsibility on her? I realize that even if she does, jury probably wouldn't act on it.

2. If I'm not mistaken he is shooting as the kid is running away, right? Even if he thought his wife was in danger, he doesn't get to shoot him down at that point, right?

3. As far as the civil suit is concerned, do you really think it's worth pursuing? If the kid is uninjured, I figure a jury will just shrug and say, "No harm, no foul" and award him about $3.50.
IANAL, but...

1. Yes, but you're right in that she's probably not getting charged or convicted.

2. Sounds that way, and I'm assuming not - unless Michigan has some ludicrously expanded Castle Doctrine.

3. Definitely worth pursuing, even if just to send a message. Pretty easy to say there is mental anguish, kid is now afraid to knock on anyone's door, etc.

By the way, SCOTUS has ruled that having a doorbell, walkway, etc is a functional invite for people to knock on your door.
04-14-2018 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
So, how does everyone divide blame here between Starbucks employee(s) and the police?
Both are 100% unacceptable. I think the cops are worse because they should be way better trained. If some 16 year old barista called them, he's a moron but he's trained to make a latte not make that decision. If the manager did it, that's as bad as the cops.

This is just a great example of a series of adults showing a complete inability to use logic or reason, with a healthy dose of systemic racism thrown in.
04-15-2018 , 12:13 AM
A Black guy that worked with me had the cops called on him for being a Black guy on a roof, for being a Black guy sitting in a car and for using a bathroom at Subway that had already been vandalized* all in the few years I worked with him. He would wear clear glasses so people would be less scared and he would get hassled less.

*didn't call the cops, but a company whose shirt we were wearing and subcontracting for.
04-15-2018 , 02:18 AM
this is what socialism gets ya:

Kentucky gov. says "I guarantee" child was sexually assaulted during teacher protests
As 30 Kentucky schools closed statewide Friday while teachers traveled to the state Capitol in Frankfurt to show support for increased funding for public education, Republican Gov. Matt Bevin told a reporter that children were harmed by the school closures.

"I guarantee you somewhere in Kentucky today a child was sexually assaulted that was left at home because there was nobody there to watch them," Bevin said, according to a video posted to Twitter by a reporter for WDRB-TV. "I guarantee you somewhere today a child was physically harmed or ingested poison because they were home alone because a single parent didn't have any money to take care of them. I'm offended by the idea that people so cavalierly and so flippantly disregarded what's truly best for children."
04-15-2018 , 02:40 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/985360332762894336
"I'm proud to announce we've collected more than enough signatures to qualify for the 2018 ballot," Draper said.

...

And even if it passes, it all has to be approved by Congress, who might not be eager to dilute their own power by creating four new U.S. senators for the West Coast.
blue wave rn would be nice
04-15-2018 , 02:48 AM
That map has 6 Dem Senators. At least 4. The other splits I've seen cut Northern CA above the bay area making a Republican area. The California part there might go Republican with a combo of rich people and farmers. San Luis Obispo is probably pretty blue though.

Last edited by microbet; 04-15-2018 at 02:55 AM.
04-15-2018 , 02:54 AM
if it's what you say, i love it. especially this november.
04-15-2018 , 03:01 AM
My daughter is in college in NorCal though. I'm not sure how I feel about voting her into a separate state. Also those northerners are itching to cut off our water supply.
04-15-2018 , 03:10 AM
South CA has San Diego, Orange County and the Central Valley, could go Red. Can't see anything containing LA Coujnty going red.
04-15-2018 , 09:11 AM
Parts of Southern California are further north than 20% of Northern California.
04-15-2018 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
South CA has San Diego, Orange County and the Central Valley, could go Red. Can't see anything containing LA Coujnty going red.
At first I thought it cut off above LA, but it looks like it cuts right through LA county and even LA city and the border might cut right through my house.

OC is turning blue as we speak. It's more Hispanic and the younger Hispanics and more recent immigrants are less conservative. Also there are a lot of Asians and the Vietnamese in particular are going to change a lot each generation. The refugees contained the South Vietnamese government, military, and supporters. They have been very Republican, but their kids won't be so much and grandkids even less so.
04-15-2018 , 11:51 AM
****ing up the flag would be a prefect opening to get Puerto Rico voted into statehood as well...
04-15-2018 , 12:30 PM
DC should be a state before anywhere else, absolutely shameful it isn’t.
04-15-2018 , 12:44 PM
The problem is that once you set the precedent for making new states, Republicans will slice up Montana in 100 different states.

Although, actually they'll do something like that regardless, so **** it I guess I'm on board.
04-15-2018 , 12:52 PM
Take it far enough and we get to anarchy. Then we all get to be our own senator in the micro-states of us.
04-15-2018 , 01:03 PM
I've been embarrassed to live in the state that's only in 2nd place for most beer consumed per capita, so it will be nice to be able to push myself to the top of the mountain.
04-15-2018 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
IANAL, but...

1. Yes, but you're right in that she's probably not getting charged or convicted.

2. Sounds that way, and I'm assuming not - unless Michigan has some ludicrously expanded Castle Doctrine.

3. Definitely worth pursuing, even if just to send a message. Pretty easy to say there is mental anguish, kid is now afraid to knock on anyone's door, etc.

By the way, SCOTUS has ruled that having a doorbell, walkway, etc is a functional invite for people to knock on your door.
probably this. you'd most likely have to show some kind of damage for the civil claim.

the criminal claim is dumb. im not sure what michigan has, but where i was a prosecutor we would rarely charge "with intent to kill" because it just adds an element you need to prove in order to win. We have a Shooting with intent to kill (swik) statute, and an assault/a+b with a deadly weapon statute, that have the same penalty except one is harder to prove. the typical, "well judge, if i was trying to kill him i would have killed him and not missed..." defense.

in before, prosecution charges but doesnt really want to win, and doesnt get a lesser included offense charge so they lose at jury. i.e. Betty Shelby oklahoma..
04-15-2018 , 09:13 PM
The Starbucks story reminds me of when I worked in a warehouse about 10 years ago. I got to work at like 4 AM and the cops were there. My coworker was the only one in the building. The proprietor next door saw him and got scared so he called the cops. The funny part? My coworker was a black cop that was working part time to earn vacation money. Racists gonna racist.
04-15-2018 , 09:16 PM
**** James Comey
04-15-2018 , 09:29 PM
Man pictured with Michael Cohen group [chief financial officer of Deutsche Bank’s American wealth management division] accused of racist threat in 1998

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw

      
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