Where would I have heard of it? Where did you hear of it?

I have seen commercials for the show - I didn't see any of this info in those commercials. His selling point as far as I've seen is "we make jokes about the news".

the restricted marketplace of food outside of the event

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_W..._and_influence

There's a whole ****ing section on the Wikipedia page about the show that werewolf could've read before running his mouth, but if he was the sort of person who learned before expressing his opinion, he wouldn't be a vapid contrarian.

I should read the full wikipedia page on every topic before forming any opinion on it.

My bad.

You should learn something about it before running your mouth, yes. You literally tried to smugly lecture him for not doing anything when part of the relevance of his show is how much stuff he does. It's ****ing insane. You kneejerked an opinion that was 100% opposite reality and you're just gonna post through that ****?

I think there is more in play here than simple asset forfeiture...

to be fair, I said I didn't know of anything else he did, not that he didn't do it

I'm glad you pointed out that he does do things, and I thank you for it.

You started the discussion by saying that you had seen the episode when it aired and also that he is great at finding problems which implies familiarity with what he does.

You've already changed your mind about what the threshold is. Since you began with "criminality" and have already extended that to criminality where there exists "a nexus between the seized assets and the criminal conduct itself". My jaywalking example was perfectly fair given your original statement.

However, I've already pointed you to a reason why your new standard is still insufficient: the 8th amendment. Others have pointed you towards court decisions which found that the amount seized could not be disproportionate to the crime. You're doing your thing where you pretend to have been raised by wolves because you think it's intellectually interesting but I don't really care: it's obviously not reasonable to seize assets from a street vendor. You can pretend otherwise if you like. I don't believe you really think so, hence I conclude you are trolling.

In any case, there are other problems with civil forfeiture related to due process which have nothing to do with the threshold of application, but even if those were all fixed I would still also think that civil forfeiture should really only be a legit law enforcement tactic when the wealth accumulated through illegal activity actually poses a meaningful threat to society: i.e. in organized crime, or when white collar criminals (or businesses!) routinely treat fines or other law enforcement activity as a cost of doing business. Civil forfeiture shouldn't be punitive, and the punitive nature of it relates directly to the economic status of the people from whom assets are seized. So that is in fact my threshold. Civil forfeiture should not apply to petty crime full stop.

yes, on the show

The stuff Fly is talking about is done on the show. Like the wikipedia page he linked is the page of the show not the page of Oliver

dude, does he display the show's wiki page on the show?

no


I was wrong on Oliver's contribution, and I'm glad I was wrong on it.

I think I was wrong on the wallet seizure, and I'm unhappy about it.


I'm always glad to have been shown to be wrong, when truly shown. Sometimes the gloating is fun; Fly is really artful with it.

Hahahahahahhahahhahahaha. Oh wow.

criminality -> nexus is like gate 1 -> gate 2

I did address the court case cited itt, which reasoned that the money seized was not really related to the crime, ergo was essentially punitive, and thus triggering the 8th amendment analysis

I am in agreement that it should not be punitive, just like a negligence lawsuit is not fundamentally punitive (it is restorative).

I appreciate your "petty crime" cutoff; we can take that as "crimes with a maximum penalty of 6 mo's jail", maybe. I wonder whether this privileges the elite to exploit petty criminal conduct as cost-of-doing-business - like Wendy's opening a stand w/o a license.

He literally has talked about every one of the things on his Wiki during the show... you have to be trolling...

Gotta be trolling there

that would be a pretty innocuous point to troll upon, but I guess I could be even bad at trolling

So your familiar with what he does on the show which the wiki references but you're ignorant of what he's done on the show because he doesn't present the wiki page of the show on the show.

Like clearly you may not be trolling and you may consider that some kind of gotcha but you've got it so completely backwards it's indistinguishable from trolling

no gotcha, no victory

I was clearly wrong.


I don't remember him saying on the show "btw I'm donating all this money to Doctors Without Borders", but maybe he did - my memory is certainly far from perfect.

loooool

to be completely honest, you seem like you're pretty bad at just about everything. maybe it's just time to stop.

Hey IANAW, you cool with police taking the vendor to his bank, force him to withdraw the contents of his account, and seize that?

Dude has probably been earning ill gotten gains for years. Gotta get it all.