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09-14-2017 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
the guy is making money from an illegal enterprise

that money is ill-gotten

this is really not a difficult position
This dude finds the moral clarity of the state stealing **** from street vendors easy to grasp, but really ****ing struggled with the much trickier moral questions like "are Nazis good".

****ing transparent.
09-14-2017 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
If you want me to retract a position, you're going to have to show why I should, understanding that bare name-calling (boot-licker, deplorable) doesn't get you there.
This is another big divide. Werewolf, you don't seem to know anything about anything. What the **** makes you think we're trying to change your mind? Like we give a **** about the opinion of iamnotawerewolf, thinkfluencer?

You're a pretty typical uneducated vaguely libertarian/reactionary white kid on the internet, convinced beyond all reason of his superior intellect, doesn't even know that the first letter of sentences get capital letters.

We're here to point and laugh.
09-14-2017 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
Advertising can be banned in the US. Tobacco companies cannot advertise.
That's because of a consent decree from on a lawsuit though, not legislative or administrative law.
09-14-2017 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You're a pretty typical uneducated vaguely libertarian/reactionary white kid on the internet, convinced beyond all reason of his superior intellect, doesn't even know that the first letter of sentences get capital letters.
uneducated, libertarian, and reactionary...

I have a bachelor's in international relations with a minor in philosophy, a year of post-bacc philosophy, a law degree, and years of experience defending the poor in court.

I fully supported Bernie Sanders and shoe-horned his platform into almost every social engagement during his bid. I routinely promote wealth redistribution and social support services.

You are an internet attack dog, rabidly assured of your closed, ideological unassailability. You are either so insecure, or so numb to anything outside of yourself, that you regard any disagreement as an affront, and you represent any such opinions in the most extreme light possible regardless of how accurately it portrays your other.



why do sentences have to start with capital letters? is it difficult for you to understand what is being said without abundantly clear syntactic demarcation?

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We're here to point and laugh.
clearly

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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This dude finds the moral clarity of the state stealing **** from street vendors easy to grasp, but really ****ing struggled with the much trickier moral questions like "are Nazis good".

****ing transparent.
09-14-2017 , 09:40 AM
But what it the street vendor is a Nazi? Is it still okay for the cops to shake him down?
09-14-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
I bet ~nobody actually read the black-letter law I posted from Georgia, especially those maintaining that I don't understand civil forfeiture.

Here's the federal law. Scroll down to (e) to see what is done with the property.



Yes, money that is released to law enforcement, for the purposes of enforcing the law, is money being invested into society - insofar as society is predicated upon the rule of law.


The law requires the issuance of a warrant by a judge or at least the existence of probable cause - which of course is reviewable. (b)(2)
lol @ pretending police depts and sheriff's offices use confiscated money for anything other than buying new toys aka fast cars and weapons

do you even real life bro?
09-14-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
But what it the street vendor is a Nazi? Is it still okay for the cops to shake him down?
Bonus round: Mohamed Bouazizi
09-14-2017 , 11:04 AM
Lol @ abundantly clear syntactic demarcation. Piece of work.
09-14-2017 , 11:10 AM
so obvs werewolf kinda sucks and his civil forfeiture takes are terrible, but trying to win an argument based on 'Well I use capital letters and you don't so me smart, you dumb' on an internet forum is pathetic.
09-14-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
so obvs werewolf kinda sucks and his civil forfeiture takes are terrible, but trying to win an argument based on 'Well I use capital letters and you don't so me smart, you dumb' on an internet forum is pathetic.
Even more stupid is making big long posts trying to show how smart you are. Took the bait imo.
09-14-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
But what it the street vendor is a Nazi? Is it still okay for the cops to shake him down?
does he have a permit?
09-14-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
Even more stupid is making big long posts trying to show how smart you are. Took the bait imo.
the point is that I am not "uneducated", of course somebody can take years of schooling without being "smart"

the deeper point is that Fly is completely and unapologetically full of ****, completely uninterested in discourse, and really is just here to laugh at people he thinks are inferior
09-14-2017 , 11:27 AM
If you think that civil forfeiture is morally justified in the case of a street vendor without a license then your moral compass is horribly broken and you should get it looked at immediately.
09-14-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
lol @ pretending police depts and sheriff's offices use confiscated money for anything other than buying new toys aka fast cars and weapons

do you even real life bro?
this is something you should address with your city council if you see it happening in your jurisdiction

that is real life
09-14-2017 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
this is something you should address with your city council if you see it happening in your jurisdiction

that is real life
Also, if you think rep's point only refers to isolated incidents, then you are quite obviously uneducated about civil forfeiture.
09-14-2017 , 11:31 AM
Would you appreciate a little knowledge in utoobz form?

09-14-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
If you think that civil forfeiture is morally justified in the case of a street vendor without a license then your moral compass is horribly broken and you should get it looked at immediately.
if you are going to allow that civil forfeiture has any legitimacy

what is the threshold distinction for its moral applicability iyo?

I have pointed to "criminality"


the street vendor is being wrapped up in the idea of the noble poor, eking out a living by the sweat of his brow

rather than an exploitative peddler skirting the standards of public health and safety


because **** the police
09-14-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
the point is that I am not "uneducated", of course somebody can take years of schooling without being "smart"

the deeper point is that Fly is completely and unapologetically full of ****, completely uninterested in discourse, and really is just here to laugh at people he thinks are inferior
I literally just said that we were pointing and laughing at you, real ****ing gumshoe work to crack that case Sherlock.

The deeper point is that you are full of **** and completely uninterested in discourse, you're here to show off how smart you are(by not knowing ****ing anything about anything) and demonstrate your Extreme Logic and Reason skills over the silly emotional libtards.

There's a reason I make fun of this dip****'s grammar and not other people's. He thinks he's smarter than us, he deigns to patronize his betters, but ****ing pages of debate were unable to shake his confidence that there's an apostrophe somewhere in Nazism.

Last edited by FlyWf; 09-14-2017 at 11:37 AM.
09-14-2017 , 11:33 AM
My Nazi street vendor question sure stumped him.
09-14-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if you are going to allow that civil forfeiture has any legitimacy

what is the threshold distinction for its moral applicability iyo?

I have pointed to "criminality"


the street vendor is being wrapped up in the idea of the noble poor, eking out a living by the sweat of his brow

rather than an exploitative peddler skirting the standards of public health and safety


because **** the police
Who is he exploiting?
09-14-2017 , 11:38 AM
I saw the John Oliver piece back when it aired. He does a great job of finding problems, but I don't think he really does anything about them other than use them to sell his air time to HBO. At least, I haven't heard of any such efforts.


I hope it is clear that I am not saying that it is universally applied correctly, or that our institutions are incorruptible.
09-14-2017 , 11:39 AM
to be honest I'm pretty sure you're just trolling (since the alternative is that you are a fascist) and I'm not that interested in playing silly buggers as far as establishing some exact legal standard, but no "criminality" is not it, as if when Mr. Policeman catches me jaywalking he is justified to take all the cash in my wallet. See also the 8th amendment.
09-14-2017 , 11:41 AM
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I saw the John Oliver piece back when it aired. He does a great job of finding problems, but I don't think he really does anything about them other than use them to sell his air time to HBO. At least, I haven't heard of any such efforts.
I mean it's just ****ing everything. John Oliver is NOTORIOUS, like his big ****ing selling point for his new show, is harnessing the exposure of his bits into public action. How the **** do you not know that? How the **** can you not have heard about him buying air time for commercials, buying expired debt and forgiving it, having his viewers bombard the FCC with comments, and so forth?

The one ****ing thing you could know about his show, you don't, and yet that doesn't stop you from smugly lecturing him for uh, what, not being an elected official?
09-14-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
to be honest I'm pretty sure you're just trolling (since the alternative is that you are a fascist) and I'm not that interested in playing silly buggers as far as establishing some exact legal standard, but no "criminality" is not it, as if when Mr. Policeman catches me jaywalking he is justified to take all the cash in my wallet. See also the 8th amendment.
I'm really not trolling. You're not able to determine a superior threshold, fine, but that's not a good ground for criticizing what you consider an inferior one.

Your jaywalking example does not match the concept. There has to be a nexus between the seized assets and the criminal conduct itself.
09-14-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
if you are going to allow that civil forfeiture has any legitimacy

what is the threshold distinction for its moral applicability iyo?

I have pointed to "criminality"


the street vendor is being wrapped up in the idea of the noble poor, eking out a living by the sweat of his brow

rather than an exploitative peddler skirting the standards of public health and safety


because **** the police
You literally make me nauseous.

      
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