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Originally Posted by master3004
Being that im an old man with kids now, how did your parents handle your ODD?
oh boy, this might be long.
lots of grounding in my youth, tons of "talks" about my attitude/behavior which i mostly spaced out and ignored, and eventually once i got thrown out of school in 10th grade, they basically just went fairly hands-off and gave me more autonomy/freedom to make and (hopefully) learn from my mistakes. their unspoken position eventually became hey, if you focus enough on school to maintain a good GPA ("good" in those days was like 3-4 not 4+), we'll turn a blind eye to all the weed smoking, skateboarding, and class skipping. i think they sensed at a certain point that i was miserable, had no real direction or motivation, and was full of self-hatred (which caused a certain insecurity in me which i refused to acknowledge, leading to anxiety and eventually depression) from an entire youth spent rebelling against anybody in a position of authority.
i think that matters were made worse re: my ODD when my mother decided to enroll me in the same christian school as my sister (~age 7-14), and i feel like they recognized the damage that it had done when i entered my teenage years. one of the things about ODD is that, as a kid, you feel like you're smarter and know better than the adults who tell you things that you don't want to hear- ESPECIALLY when you feel like you can't relate to them on any level. when all the authority figures in your life are christian zealots who are plainly idiotic and hypocritical, it magnifies the feelings of resentment which makes the behavioral/attitude problems even worse. because **** these people, it's that simple. unhealthy or non-existent coping skills are another hallmark. kids' brains aren't developed enough to really grasp the concepts of long-term consequences and nuance- i just decided at some point that all the adults were idiots and i wasn't going to listen to them anymore, period.
once i reached a point in my late 20s, i had some experiences with people, some of whom were friends, that made me recognize just how much of a rageaholic i was and how much of a selfish narrow-sighted ******* i could be. seeing other people excel in poker during times when i struggled also reinforced that i wasn't as smart as i thought i was. i also had an experience during a mushroom trip which must have activated whatever area of my brain is responsible for feeling empathy. as a poker player, i recognized that self-reflection is vital to survival and progress, but i wasn't honest with myself about the extent to which i was cognitively flawed. so i decided i was going to make some changes in my life to be a better person, and while there was a lot of severe depression resulting from it (sucks to "look in the mirror", so to speak, and not like what you see), it's worked out pretty well in the end.
i'm sure my wife will always be able to (rightfully) tease me about the way my ODD still shapes my worldview and my behavior, but i'm a big boy now and i've worked hard to recognize/accept my personal shortcomings and make positive changes. and at 35 years old, it's still an ongoing process. my mother's love, patience, and openness in communication has been vital to my development as an adult (and that goes for my dad too, but he's kind of an introvert and is very typical in his distaste for conversations revolving around feelings and what not).
i think for anybody who suspects their kid has ODD or doesn't respect them as parents or whatever else, it's important for your kid to not view you as an adversary, otherwise they won't listen to you. obviously it's bad to just be their best friend and give them everything they want, and it's a delicate balance- how do i speak to my child with the proper tone/insight/criticism to keep him or her from going on the defensive and rejecting all of the extremely valid things that i have to say? it's a maturity thing and a respect issue, and kids with ODD in particular are going to be immature due to deficient coping skills, and not going to respect authority for authority's sake- respect comes from a shared understanding of the world and feeling like somebody has your back when push comes to shove. and my parents always did, i was just too selfish/immature to realize it most of the time because i had made up my mind long ago that adults just didnt "get it". i'm not entirely sure how to speed up the process of maturity in a kid/teenager, but i began to show real progress there (as an adult, lol) once i knocked down emotional barriers and was truly honest with myself and my mother about all the feelings i had and the negative impacts that those feelings had on my life and my relationships with other people. i found talking with her to be very therapeutic, as i was always the type to bottle things up inside (again, another unhealthy coping mechanism). so like, counselling from a solid therapist seems like a really good start for anybody who suspects that their kid is having these same issues.
so tl;dr, it takes a lot of love, patience, guidance, and forgiveness. i am eternally grateful that my parents always had a lot of that.