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04-05-2018 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
The secret society of billionaires that control our politicians have been making a concerted effort to cut education funding everywhere they get get away with it. What's wrong with using "they want to keep us stupid" as shorthand for that idea?
Not sure if srs but the billionaires are not a secret society and are unlikely to have a shared interest in making education worse as an end goal.

Note that people wanting to cut taxes and cutting education to make that work are not "trying to keep us stupid" they are trying to cut taxes.
04-05-2018 , 01:23 PM
Not that important to read, but telling:

Trump’s Most Influential White Nationalist Troll Is A Middlebury Grad Who Lives In Manhattan


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Mackey is from Waterbury, Vermont, a small town of around 5,000 people in the middle of the state. His father, Scott, a lobbyist who focuses on tax policy affecting wireless communications and the digital economy, was a former legislative aide to the late U.S. Sen. Jim Jeffords (R-Vt.).
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He told Feldman that he was from New England and had gone to a private school and worked in “consulting or finance” in New York. He was smart and well-heeled, an urbane cosmopolitan elite. “You would never ever in a million years think that was Ricky Vaughn,” Feldman said.
04-05-2018 , 01:30 PM
When conservative donors create PACS with names like "Americans for Progressive Action" in an effort to obfuscate just who is supporting certain candidates then we are in secret society territory, imo.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-progre...-bb82b0d9687f/
04-05-2018 , 01:36 PM
Don’t know what the secret society part means to you but wealthy cronyism is not a theory. Oligarchs have common interests. Powerful people are not more beholden to the rule of law by any observable measure. Do they meet under a full moon with cloaks on and sacrifice virgins? Is that a requirement? There is no scenario you can come up with where you take the wealthiest people on the planet who are obsessed with their power and retaining it and they DON’T engage in behavior that benefits them and their associates and yeah, that will take the form of actively disadvantaging others.

Yeah the Mercers are doing some things in the open and legally. If you read anything about what they think of America and Americans you would be crazy to believe that is all they are willing to do to impact things, and you would be equally nuts to think they are an outlier.
04-05-2018 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
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Ricky Vaughn had also by then gone public with the history of his political metamorphosis into a white nationalist, which began, as it did for many members of the alt-right around his age, with Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign.
yep, yep
04-05-2018 , 02:20 PM
Here's your conspiracy. Add in Fox news for the marketing/branding, Koch and Mercer money for the infrastructure, a few groups like the Federalist Society for specific projects, and you can take over the US government. Now, these groups are only fire to a wood pile that has existed in one form or another for 150-200 years, but the more fire you have, the less dry the wood needs to be.

The amount Robert Mercer spent on politics in 2016 likely topped $30 million ($50M if you include Mercer Foundation)

This guy is on the aspergers spectrum and helped drive the election of Trump and fund the GOP's infrastructure and policy apparatus. Not as much $ as the Koch network, but a lot of direct involvement.

Last edited by simplicitus; 04-05-2018 at 02:26 PM.
04-05-2018 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I don't get why/how his obviously-racism-spewing first account got banned, then he made a 2nd one, everyone knows it's the same guy, but the second one continues unabated?
04-05-2018 , 03:50 PM
Before Trump, when things seemed to be moving decidedly in a progressive direction regarding prison reform, Newt ****ing Gingrich started talking about how imprisoning poor and minority father figures and breaking up families was perpetuating a cycle. Well, turns out he, and other POS profiteers, saw the way the wind was blowing and started diversifying their investments from the extremely profitable private prison scams to gps monitoring companies. The talking points were to get non violent prisoners back in their homes with their families. Help the fabric of the community.

Trump won. Prison reform dead. Now we are spending tax money to build and pay for more and more prisons again.

I mean the amount of **** that gets uncovered is obviously not the bulk of it. If people are literally evil enough to do this, and worse as history has shown, why the hell do you believe they are content with the advantage they can get within the system and in daylight?
04-05-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
When conservative donors create PACS with names like "Americans for Progressive Action" in an effort to obfuscate just who is supporting certain candidates then we are in secret society territory, imo.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-progre...-bb82b0d9687f/
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Originally Posted by Johnny Truant
Don’t know what the secret society part means to you but wealthy cronyism is not a theory. Oligarchs have common interests. Powerful people are not more beholden to the rule of law by any observable measure. Do they meet under a full moon with cloaks on and sacrifice virgins? Is that a requirement? There is no scenario you can come up with where you take the wealthiest people on the planet who are obsessed with their power and retaining it and they DON’T engage in behavior that benefits them and their associates and yeah, that will take the form of actively disadvantaging others.

Yeah the Mercers are doing some things in the open and legally. If you read anything about what they think of America and Americans you would be crazy to believe that is all they are willing to do to impact things, and you would be equally nuts to think they are an outlier.
Some rich people acting together != all rich people are a monolithic secret society

Wanting to cut taxes or deregulate their business or whatever != vague shadowy motives about keeping the sheeple down

This is my distinction.
04-05-2018 , 04:51 PM
Bob Mcnair, owner of the Houston Texans, regrets that he apologized for saying "we can't let the inmates run the prison" in reference to players attempting to make demands of the NFL owners.

he believes he had nothing to apologize for and regrets that he issued a statement..

i love that people kept saying well its a common phrase, why shouldnt he be allowed to say it. except for the fact that the phrase is inmates run the aslyum and i believe statrted as "lunatics run the asylum"..
04-05-2018 , 07:26 PM
"Lunatics run the asylum" is still the phrase here. Getting a workout in reference to the USA.
04-05-2018 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkubus
When conservative donors create PACS with names like "Americans for Progressive Action" in an effort to obfuscate just who is supporting certain candidates then we are in secret society territory, imo.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-progre...-bb82b0d9687f/
04-06-2018 , 12:05 AM
04-06-2018 , 12:32 AM

04-06-2018 , 01:02 AM
Onion.
04-06-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
The Manhattan Project also fits all my parameters. They believed they were doing the right thing, and scientists were proud to contribute their calling. Secret bunkers the same.

Billionaires are doing it out in the open, legally, so not really any conspiracy to keep secret.

Nixon sure. Not in the crazy ballpark of Newtown or 9/11 though.

Stuff like amplifying threats has always happened. No need for a massive conspiracy to do it.

Profit prisons suck but all actors' motivations make sense in terms of incentives, and only a few ever cross the line into illegality.

I completely agree with your last paragraph. That's my point. Not all conspiracies are created equal.

Are you saying the Manhattan project wasn't a positive?
04-06-2018 , 04:25 PM
https://twitter.com/briantashman/sta...23767593418752
04-06-2018 , 06:53 PM
Immigration: ICE raids meatpacking plant in rural Tennessee; 97 illegal immigrants arrested
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Federal officials arrested 97 immigrants at a meat-processing plant in rural Tennessee late Thursday in what civil rights organizations said was the largest single workplace raid in a decade and a sign that the Trump administration is carrying out its plan to aggressively ramp up enforcement this year.

Ten people were arrested on federal criminal charges, one person was arrested on state charges and 86 immigrants were detained for being in the country illegally, Tammy Spicer, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a statement Friday. All of those arrested were in the country illegally, she said. Most were from Mexico.
04-06-2018 , 06:57 PM
Abolish ICE
04-06-2018 , 07:04 PM
Lol cool see ya
04-06-2018 , 07:49 PM

https://twitter.com/Shareblue/status/982382490089336832
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Republican Rep. Ralph Norman whipped out a gun during a meeting with voters in South Carolina to show that guns aren't really that 'dangerous.'

Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC) brandished a gun at a meeting with constituents and said, “I’m not going to be a Gabby Giffords.”
04-06-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeC2012
Lol cool see ya
Parkland kids should start a campaign supporting SC secession.
04-06-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Abolish ICE
Definitely. Maybe meatpacking as well.
04-06-2018 , 07:58 PM
oh good, 97 new jobs that americans won't do

      
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