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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I take issue with at most with the bolded part. This seems like semantic trickery. There is a pretty easy way to ascertain your sex or gender at birth, and they are the same thing.
I will try to explain the distinction. Bear in mind this is going to be incomplete, even though it's also going to be a bit long. In a nutshell, you can think of the distinction like this:
gender: cultural norms, values, customs, attitudes, etc.
sex: physiology
Clearly the two are associated. Culturally constructed ideas about what it means to be a "man" or "woman" are rooted in sexual dimorphism. If there were no physical differences there wouldn't be anything on which to construct the culturally dependent norms and so on.
But if I ask you to define "femininity", you aren't likely to refer simply to physiology. I doubt you will say that to be feminine is to have a uterus. You would not be confused if I referred to someone of female sex as lacking feminity, or described a male as not being particularly masculine. If I ask you to describe femininity, you might refer to having long hair and wearing a dress. But it's not as if only people with uteruses can present themselves in this way (ask
this guy). You might think about tasks that are gendered as feminine (household tasks like cooking, cleaning, and childcare) compared to those gendered as masculine (mowing the lawn, car repairs, being a "handyman"). But clearly the presence or absence of specific sexual features doesn't dictate who can do those things. Rather, our cultural beliefs and attitudes structure our expectations.
Of course some things we associate with gender are more directly rooted in biological sex and others are not. The belief that men are physically stronger and that motherhood is an important part of what it means to be a woman are pretty closely connected to biology. But the point is we go much further than this. We stereotypically conceive of masculinity not just as being physically strong but being stoic, unemotional, rational. Women are expected to be more caring, emotional, nurturing, and passive. There may be some extent to which those stereotypes reflect actual physical differences on average (e.g. the role of testosterone in any of the above), but our cultural expectations go well beyond the actual physical variation and we enforce our expectations socially. Think of adolescent boys chastising other boys for not acting "manly" enough by calling them gay.
So that's the basic idea. As far as how it relates to transgender people, the point is that gender is also a
social identity, related to all those culturally constructed beliefs and values. Someone who identifies as transgender may want to physically transition sex characteristics (while others choose not do this for various reasons), but I think it's clear that a lot of gender dysphoria is also about this sense of socially mediated identity. Otatop's pictures illustrate this: look at how the people choose to present themselves and relate that back to how physical appearance is gendered in ways that transcend actual physical difference, i.e. in style of clothes, hair, and so on. Much of what transgender people want is to feel recognized socially in the way that aligns with their self-image and individual identity. For them, which bathroom you use and which sports team you play on is not just about which sets of genitalia belong in which spaces, it's about the gendered social identity associated with those spaces. This becomes clearer if you think about other social contexts where sex is more important than cultural concepts of gender, for example an FtM transgender person who has not transitioned is unlikely to balk at having to see a gynecologist instead of having a prostate exam (although of course it may remind him of his desire to transition).
The basic logic of my proposition then was to try to emphasize the distinction between physiological differences which might make sense in sports for reasons of fairness while downplaying the social aspects that lead transgender people to feel like "I should play with that group of people because that is the gender I identify with," in much the same way that hopefully they recognize the distinction when they go see doctors in other contexts. The other point is really my hope that if people understand these distinctions and how gender functions socially they may be more open to expanding their view of what is socially legitimate, because ultimately that legitimacy is what trans people are seeking.
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
What you have failed to mention in your whole analysis of this topic, is *when* the gender reassignment take place.
I wasn't actually talking about transitioning at all, but this isn't a problem for my suggestion, since I was arguing for placing people into different competitive groups based on their physical characteristics at the time they are competing.